From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15307 invoked from network); 22 May 2020 08:34:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 22 May 2020 08:34:40 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 323329C90E; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:34:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC189C5E9; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:34:07 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=pobox.com header.i=@pobox.com header.b="abyd7/dG"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E4BB69C5E9; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:34:03 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 303 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:34:03 AEST Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com (pb-smtp21.pobox.com [173.228.157.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67A759C5E8 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 18:34:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8A9C4679; Fri, 22 May 2020 04:28:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date :message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; s=sasl; bh=KtFB4yiD5Ju RcT0lWZI8QhN3Rbc=; b=abyd7/dGMSiIBQ3lIlm3YWjnvzpcB58Ok7RAjMSzWDf v16DnpGk0/CDOp2beeszsfk8B9clmUMkWmwuARwimIDpGo16TXCQnc3J+CyaDyHM o0DdZSejrvaaks5S6Wpxt3yTVDVTSXooKwp11hhbiyyzHRsfJSzWOmwcMl6kibWk = DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date :message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; q=dns; s=sasl; b=dKAYB plIXtB11e0MxfIiiUFIgQHniIwBdj8mtLXIKWb9kkkmoUZyJzNkAzVVTVArgLGGV Qb4Dyin/VhiMLud3A+J6Gr+IwquN7fH55Uw+Vczm1ag7iMYDMeCgrtlOU+7Cwzj9 JRri+wtAn1pZaFe25U+tqPUTrphsB1KiNGfGSQ= Received: from pb-smtp21.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2874C4678; Fri, 22 May 2020 04:28:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) Received: from [192.168.86.217] (unknown [49.195.164.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61650C4676; Fri, 22 May 2020 04:28:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Arnold Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 18:28:52 +1000 Message-Id: <1A23A03A-4B86-487D-AA00-7AB2E8C5D500@pobox.com> References: <202005211735.04LHZoUr006011@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <202005211735.04LHZoUr006011@freefriends.org> To: arnold@skeeve.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17E262) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 47A7D67E-9C06-11EA-894A-8D86F504CC47-29049682!pb-smtp21.pobox.com Subject: Re: [TUHS] History of popularity of C X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 22 May 2020, at 03:37, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: <...> > C++ became the language of choice on the PC when MSFT started pushing > its compiler and Visual Studio IDE. On the PC side, TurboPascal started to get displaced by Borland C++ I think i= n the early 90=E2=80=99s. I don=E2=80=99t have a good feeling why, but per= haps it was the parallel evolution of Microsoft=E2=80=99s C & C++, which wer= e doing pretty well even before 1997 when Visual Studio began its rise. =20 Watcom C++ was also around, iirc it was available for OS/2 as well? On the Unix side, the egcs fork of gcc pushed it forward a lot and the subse= quent reverse takeover of gcc saved it from needing replacement far earlier.= =20 Of course the commercial Unix vendors charging for their compilers helped gc= c too, and by then Pascal, Modula/2/3, Ada ... everything else had become a n= iche market. I don=E2=80=99t recall any hard data from back then though, sorry ... d