From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3697 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2023 03:02:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Mar 2023 03:02:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D1043310; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 13:02:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.kaybuena.com (rrcs-71-42-153-194.sw.biz.rr.com [71.42.153.194]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C8DF4330F for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 13:02:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (4dot2 [71.42.153.195]) by mail.kaybuena.com (8.17.1/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 32132RdW1517956; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 21:02:28 -0600 From: "Charles H. Sauer" Message-Id: <1F9F6472-6F10-4E5D-81A4-BC0C6EB1F5BE@technologists.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_67B59D70-61F3-484D-BAD0-3460A08EE3E2" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.400.51.1.1\)) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 21:02:17 -0600 In-Reply-To: To: Dan Cross References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.400.51.1.1) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (mail.kaybuena.com [71.42.153.194]); Tue, 28 Feb 2023 21:02:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID-Hash: LA3FO2TOF44NVALHFFM3ADXF35ZO4V3S X-Message-ID-Hash: LA3FO2TOF44NVALHFFM3ADXF35ZO4V3S X-MailFrom: sauer@technologists.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] IBM RT/PC compilers [was Re: Any Bell 8-bit UNIX Efforts? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --Apple-Mail=_67B59D70-61F3-484D-BAD0-3460A08EE3E2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Feb 28, 2023, at 8:35 PM, Dan Cross wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 9:07=E2=80=AFPM Ronald Natalie = wrote: >> [snip] >> At least it didn=E2=80=99t come with a prayer book like the Metalware = compiler (which really needed all the divine intervention that it could = get). >=20 > Was that the one that shipped with the IBM RT? Is it just my > imagination or did some of the error messages contain biblical > references? >=20 > - Dan C. It may be that Metaware was available for AIX on the RT, but, if so, not = bundled with AIX. AIX 1 releases bundled a fairly vanilla pcc as = provided by ISC. AIX 2 releases bundled pcc with the HCR optimization = phase added. I=E2=80=99m not sure about AIX 3 and beyond, since I left = before they were released. The =E2=80=9Cstrategic=E2=80=9D plan was a = reimplementation of the PL.8 compiler as a C compiler with the work done = by an IBM group in Toronto. I suspect that was extra cost option and = that pcc with HCR was still bundled in the base. I have the impression = that AOS (BSD for RT) eventually also included the HCR phase. See = https://notes.technologists.com/notes/2017/03/08/lets-start-at-the-very-be= ginning-801-romp-rtpc-aix-versions/ for more context. CHS -- voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com = =20 fax: +1.512.346.5240 web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ = Facebook/Google/LinkedIn/Twitter: CharlesHSauer --Apple-Mail=_67B59D70-61F3-484D-BAD0-3460A08EE3E2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Feb = 28, 2023, at 8:35 PM, Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at = 9:07=E2=80=AFPM Ronald Natalie <ron@ronnatalie.com> = wrote:
[snip]
At least it didn=E2=80=99t = come with a prayer book like the Metalware compiler (which really needed = all the divine intervention that it could get).

Was = that the one that shipped with the IBM RT?  Is it just = my
imagination or did some of the error messages contain = biblical
references?

=        - Dan = C.

It may be that Metaware = was available for AIX on the RT, but, if so, not bundled with AIX. AIX 1 = releases bundled a fairly vanilla pcc as provided by ISC. AIX 2 releases = bundled pcc with the HCR optimization phase added. I=E2=80=99m not sure = about AIX 3 and beyond, since I left before they were released. The = =E2=80=9Cstrategic=E2=80=9D plan was a reimplementation of the PL.8 = compiler as a C compiler with the work done by an IBM group in Toronto. = I suspect that was extra cost option and that pcc with HCR was still = bundled in the base. I have the impression that AOS (BSD for RT) = eventually also included the HCR phase. See = https://notes.technologists.com/notes/2017/03/08/lets-start-at-the-very-be= ginning-801-romp-rtpc-aix-versions/ for more context. = CHS

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