From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 88a1ba4e for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 20:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D53B49B90B; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 06:02:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4FB9B8FA; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 06:02:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8BE7C9B8FA; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 06:01:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp3.cs.Stanford.EDU (smtp3.cs.stanford.edu [171.64.64.27]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4387F9B8F9 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 06:01:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from solarpost.stanford.edu ([171.64.103.115]:60315) by smtp3.cs.Stanford.EDU with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1guNCp-0008Ip-4h for tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:01:59 -0800 Received: from [107.135.30.30] (helo=MacBook-Air-2.local) by solarpost.Stanford.EDU with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1guNCo-0001vr-AD for tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:01:58 -0800 To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org References: <20190214192940.ED58418C0AB@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Deborah Scherrer Organization: Stanford University Message-ID: <1b71e45e-5711-ee8d-2bc8-4ea6298311dd@solar.stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:02:00 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190214192940.ED58418C0AB@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scan-Signature: 67f4a389e065da33eb5969ecb4726704 Subject: Re: [TUHS] Women in computing X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" There have been several studies. As I remember, girls in school do indeed receive as much encouragement in computers as do males. And girls do indeed have access to as many resources as males. So the studies came to no conclusions. My personal thought is that, in high school, it's the "nerd" factor. If I were back in high school and saw the kind of guys that are getting into computers now, I would stay a thousand miles away from them and that field. But, alas, I don't think anyone has tried to research that idea... And/or: I have a friend who was a professor of CS in Amsterdam. She had many grad students of both sexes. She says she had to practically force the women to stay in the field. They would see the guys getting overly focused on the computer details themselves, completely overlooking the goals of the project. The women would get frustrated and complain to the professor. She would have to convince them that the guys just did that, and that the women should stay on track. I do admit, I have a husband who does that. Personally, I have ALWAYS looked at computers as a tool to accomplish something grander than just being a computer. But I am usually out-shouted. ;-) On 2/14/19 11:29 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Deborah Scherrer > > > In the early days of Usenix, I used to keep track of the women. > > Initially, about 30% of the organization was female. That dropped every > > year. > > Interesting. Any ideas/thoughts on what was going on, what caused that? > > Noel