From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 1475 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2020 16:59:34 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 4 Apr 2020 16:59:34 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5A7769C61B; Sun, 5 Apr 2020 02:59:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6609E9C203; Sun, 5 Apr 2020 02:58:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 01F5C9C203; Sun, 5 Apr 2020 02:58:55 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 801 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sun, 05 Apr 2020 02:58:53 AEST Received: from marmaro.de (marmaro.de [176.28.23.198]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2230A9C14A for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2020 02:58:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: by marmaro.de (masqmail 0.3.6-dev, from userid 1000) id 1jKlvG-4JB-00 for ; Sat, 04 Apr 2020 18:45:30 +0200 To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org In-reply-to: <854f7b58-9ba0-476f-a7e6-8579f4a8048d@localhost> References: <1jKkMQ-2hN-00@marmaro.de> <854f7b58-9ba0-476f-a7e6-8579f4a8048d@localhost> Comments: =?UTF-8?Q?In-reply-to_Michael_Kj=C3=B6rling____message_dated_"Sat,_04_Apr_2020_16:12:01_-0000."?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-ID: <16564.1586018730.1@marmaro.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2020 18:45:30 +0200 From: markus schnalke Message-ID: <1jKlvG-4JB-00@marmaro.de> Subject: Re: [TUHS] First book on Unix for general readership X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Hoi. [2020-04-04 16:12] Michael Kj=C3=B6rling > On 4 Apr 2020 17:05 +0200, from meillo@marmaro.de (markus schnalke): > > found on Wikipedia: > > = > > As well as the Bourne shell, he wrote the adb debugger > > and The UNIX System, the second book on the UNIX system, > > intended for a general readership. > > = > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_R._Bourne > > = > > Thus I now wonder what the first book on Unix, intended for a > > general readership was. > = > I would be careful with that claim. > = > First, it appears to lack a citation. (Someone here might be able to help > with that.) That was my thought already. I hope to get a citation out of this mail thread, or information to remove this claim. But that was only what started my interest in the situation around the very first Unix books. Especially the Banahan/Rutter book caught my interest, as I cannot really fit it into the picture of my current understanding. (I've never read (or forgot) about the University of Bredford in the early Unix context.) > Second, once you unpack it, the claim itself can be parsed in two ways, > yielding quite different meanings. You're right. I directly assumed that ``the second book that was intended for genereal readership (besides several earlier books for special readership)'' was meant. But now that you bring this question up, I'm no longer sure about earlier books that describe the Unix system in general, not only single aspects of it. Besides, we quickly run into the question what a book is. Is Lions' Book a book? Are the manuals books? Well, as I wrote above, although this claim in the Wikipedia started it all up for me, I'm not so much interested in validating or falsifying it, but rather like to know more about the situation in general, to further improve my understanding of the time back then. :-) meillo