From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13038 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2022 08:45:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Feb 2022 08:45:09 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 619FD9BAE3; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:45:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E2E951B5; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:44:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3FED5951B5; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:44:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from marmaro.de (marmaro.de [176.28.23.198]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F4695192 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2022 18:44:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: by marmaro.de (masqmail 0.3.6-dev, from userid 1000) id 1nFuCs-2RI-00 for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2022 09:44:38 +0100 To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org In-reply-to: References: <202202011537.211FbYSe017204@freefriends.org> <20220201155225.5A9541FB21@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <202202020747.2127lTTh005669@freefriends.org> <7C19F93B-4F21-4BB1-A064-0307D3568DB7@cfcl.com> <1nFWmo-1Gn-00@marmaro.de> Comments: In-reply-to Steve Nickolas message dated "Fri, 04 Feb 2022 03:10:16 -0500." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9379.1643964278.1@marmaro.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2022 09:44:38 +0100 From: markus schnalke Message-ID: <1nFuCs-2RI-00@marmaro.de> Subject: Re: [TUHS] more about Brian... X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Hoi. [2022-02-04 03:10] Steve Nickolas > On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, Andy Kosela wrote: > > = > > And due to popular demand they started to add on to the language > > features: modules, generics, etc.. The language still feels a lot > > less bloated than C++, but IMHO plain old C just feels more natural > > and minimal. > = > I tend to feel that C strikes a perfect balance between minimalist and = > powerful. You have to consider that each language is a child of its time; the culture of each programming language is shaped by the people who use it, write libraries and books and teach others. If you would introduce the C language today for the first time, it wouldn't become the same language that we like. Its libraries and culture would be very different because today's programmers are different. Likewise, would Go have been introduced in older times, it probably would have evolved differently. Thus, with liking the minimalist/powerful balance of C and the style of how programs in C are written (because that C culture has grown decades ago and is now also a part of the language) you actually say that you like the old times better than the new times. (I don't blame you for that.) This all is much more about culture and what types of people program and the reasons why they program and the kinds of projects they do and the kinds of companies and their motivation in programming and how all this shapes the culture of any language ... than it is about specific languages itself, IMO. meillo