From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31387 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2022 21:27:13 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Feb 2022 21:27:13 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6A4329CFE7; Tue, 1 Mar 2022 07:27:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79B49CC02; Tue, 1 Mar 2022 07:25:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 046599CC02; Tue, 1 Mar 2022 07:25:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from marmaro.de (marmaro.de [176.28.23.198]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700609CBCE for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2022 07:25:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: by marmaro.de (masqmail 0.3.6-dev, from userid 1000) id 1nOnWH-7qi-00 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2022 22:25:25 +0100 To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org In-reply-to: References: <20220228140715.GQ21168@mcvoy.com> Comments: In-reply-to Dan Cross message dated "Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:25:39 -0500." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-ID: <30175.1646083525.1@marmaro.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 22:25:25 +0100 From: markus schnalke Message-ID: <1nOnWH-7qi-00@marmaro.de> Subject: Re: [TUHS] run commands at login in v6 and stty X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Hoi. [2022-02-28 14:25] Dan Cross > > On a personal note, when I was learning to write C for Unix, I read a lot= of > open source code to see how to do it. So much of it was riddled with comp= lex # > ifdefs that I kind of got the impression that that was how things were > _supposed_ to be written. Then I read the Spencer/Collyer paper, and modi= fied > some program that I'd written to use abstract interfaces; it was so much = easier > to reason=C2=A0about that I was kind of shocked that others didn't do the= same. > = > I suppose the point is that many programmers learn by copying what has co= me > before. However, so much of what's out there is a poor example of how to = do > things; we're stuck with a feedback loop of poor design. =2E.. and I am very happy that I found my way into a different feedback loop, called Unix philosophy ... with sources meant to be read, great documentation, and books that actually feature real life code (already a thing by itself) but also that the production code is on the same ``acts as a good example'' level. If programmers have never experienced such wonderful worlds -- how poor their programming lifes must be! meillo