From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:23:26 +1000 (EST) Subject: Installing an OS on my little friendly VAX-11. In-Reply-To: <156904.3168169327@kevlar.websitefactory.net> from Jeff Johnson at "May 24, 2000 3: 2: 7 pm" Message-ID: <200005250023.KAA01576@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> In article by Jeff Johnson: > > Hey guys. I've got a VAXstation 2000 with 12MB of RAM, and two RD54 drives, > eight bitplane graphics card and no terminal available. I'd really love to > get a copy of Ultrix 4.2 installed on this machine. I'd recommend you look into the Quasijarus project at http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Quasijarus/ and join their mailing list by sending a request to Michael Sokolov: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG Cheers, Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA97923 for pups-liszt; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:29:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from ivan.Harhan.ORG (ivan.Harhan.ORG [207.55.197.4]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA97919 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:28:54 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG) Received: by ivan.Harhan.ORG (5.61.1.1/1.36) id AA15849; Wed, 24 May 00 22:27:42 CDT Date: Wed, 24 May 00 22:27:42 CDT From: msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) Message-Id: <0005250327.AA15849 at ivan.Harhan.ORG> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Installing an OS on my little friendly VAX-11. Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Jeff Johnson wrote: > I've got a VAXstation 2000 with 12MB of RAM, and two RD54 drives, > one of which is developing bad sectors (the secondary). I've got the > eight bitplane graphics card and no terminal available. Two RD54s? At least one of them must be external then, as there's only room for one full-height device in the VS2K box itself. I'm going to assume that you have the standard DEC configuration with one RD54 internal and an expansion adapter (pizza box) at the bottom with the 2nd external RD54 connected to it. Hey, except for the lack of TK50Z, you've got pretty much the maximum configuration from DEC for VS2K: maximum memory, maximum number of disks of top-of-the-line type, expansion adapter, and top-of-the-line graphics card! On your expansion adapter, right next to the connector for the external RD54, you should see a 50-lead Amphenol (aka Centronics) SCSI connector. It is indeed real SCSI, but the boot ROM, VMS, and Ultrix only support one SCSI device on it, the TK50Z. > I also don't have a TK50 or any external storage, Note that if you can get hold of a TK50Z (a box just like your external RD54, but with a TK50 drive and a TK50-to-SCSI adapter inside), you can readily plug it into the connector I just described. I don't think a TK50Z would be that expensive. Here in Dallas, TX, USA I get bare TK50 drives for $75 apiece and TK50 drive + TQK50 controller (for Q-bus) pairs for $100 apiece, and I don't think a TK50Z would be much more expensive. > so it looks like I'll be netbooting. Sorry, can't help you with that, I and netbooting have never been able to successfully coexist in the same machine room at the same time. > The machine currently has OpenVMS 7.2 on it which I can re-license and get > running if it would help for an install. If you have VMS running on one disk, you can use it to install Ultrix on the other. Talk to me directly for the instructions. -- Michael Sokolov Harhan Engineering Laboratory Public Service Agent International Free Computing Task Force International Engineering and Science Task Force 615 N GOOD LATIMER EXPY STE #4 DALLAS TX 75204-5852 USA Phone: +1-214-824-7693 (Harhan Eng Lab office) E-mail: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA TCP/SMTP) (UUCP coming soon) Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA97968 for pups-liszt; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:46:08 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from ivan.Harhan.ORG (ivan.Harhan.ORG [207.55.197.4]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA97964 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:45:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG) Received: by ivan.Harhan.ORG (5.61.1.1/1.36) id AA15967; Wed, 24 May 00 22:44:52 CDT Date: Wed, 24 May 00 22:44:52 CDT From: msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) Message-Id: <0005250344.AA15967 at ivan.Harhan.ORG> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Installing an OS on my little friendly VAX-11. Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Warren Toomey wrote: > I'd recommend you look into the Quasijarus project at > http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Quasijarus/ > > and join their mailing list by sending a request to Michael Sokolov: > msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG Thanks, Warren, for helping me out with awareness-raising! I have to disappoint Jeff a little bit, though, that 4.3BSD-Quasijarus support for BabyVAXen is still a while away, but trust me, we will get there some day! But my project pages and mailing list are definitely a tremendous resource. -- Michael Sokolov Harhan Engineering Laboratory Public Service Agent International Free Computing Task Force International Engineering and Science Task Force 615 N GOOD LATIMER EXPY STE #4 DALLAS TX 75204-5852 USA Phone: +1-214-824-7693 (Harhan Eng Lab office) E-mail: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA TCP/SMTP) (UUCP coming soon) Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA36284 for pups-liszt; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:45:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de (sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.50]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA36280 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:45:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) From: jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Received: from aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de ( exim at aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.3] ) by sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de id aa00069 for ; 25 May 2000 10:44 MESZ Received: from forelle32.wohnheim.uni-kl.de ([131.246.141.32] helo=unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) by aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 12utFZ-0006E2-00 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:44:17 +0200 Received: from unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01668 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:43:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200005250843.KAA01668 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:43:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Installing an OS on my little friendly VAX-11. To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au In-Reply-To: <0005250344.AA15967 at ivan.Harhan.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On 25 May, Michael Sokolov wrote: > I have to disappoint > Jeff a little bit, though, that 4.3BSD-Quasijarus support for BabyVAXen is > still a while away, but trust me, we will get there some day! NetBSD runs on the VS2000. A friend is running a Web-server on a VS2000 (http://wmad93.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de/). But the MFM disk support is broken since 1.4 due to a DMA code cleanup. Netbooting works and you can connect any generic SCSI disk to the tape port. This works but is very slow because there is only PIO SCSI on the VS2000... -- tsch��, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA37463 for pups-liszt; Fri, 26 May 2000 00:34:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from junk.nocrew.org (mail@[212.73.17.42]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA37459 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 00:34:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from lars at junk.nocrew.org) Received: from lars by junk.nocrew.org with local (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian)) for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au id 12uyhp-0001ab-00; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:33:49 +0200 To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: PDP-11 MMU docs? From: lars brinkhoff Date: 25 May 2000 16:33:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de's message of "Thu, 25 May 2000 10:43:45 +0200 (CEST)" Message-ID: <85itw2vgvm.fsf at junk.nocrew.org> Lines: 1 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Is there any PDP-11 MMU documentation available? Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA37709 for pups-liszt; Fri, 26 May 2000 01:31:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from Zeke.Update.UU.SE (IDENT:2026 at Zeke.Update.uu.se [130.238.11.14]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA37705 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 01:31:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from bqt at Update.UU.SE) Received: from localhost (bqt at localhost) by Zeke.Update.UU.SE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09349; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:30:38 +0200 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:30:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: Johnny Billquist To: lars brinkhoff cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: PDP-11 MMU docs? In-Reply-To: <85itw2vgvm.fsf at junk.nocrew.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On 25 May 2000, lars brinkhoff wrote: > Is there any PDP-11 MMU documentation available? Don't remember seeing any. What do you want to know? Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol