From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:46:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: 4.3BSD-Reno install on MicroVAX II Message-ID: <200006052246.AAA20067@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Hi. Today I tried to install 4.3BSD-Reno on a MicroVAX II. The machine has 13MB RAM, DHV11, TK50, DELQA, one RD53 with RQDX3 and a Sigma DLV11-J clone. I created a boot tape using a netbooted NetBSD 1.4.2 on this machine. I dd-ed "stand", "miniroot" and "rootdump" onto a tape with the blocksizes listed in the file "Rick_Copeland_Note". I also used "maketape" from the 2.11BSD distribution. >>> b mua0 2..1..0.. ?06 HLT INST PC = 00074C1E >>> Every time the same. :-( Do I make a mistake? Is my hardware not supported? Is there a other way to get 4.3BSD-Reno instaled? (Puting a disklabel, ffs and data with NetBSD onto the disk, but how to boot?) ??? -- tschüß, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11618 for pups-liszt; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:17:02 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from ivan.Harhan.ORG (ivan.Harhan.ORG [207.55.197.4]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11614 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:16:58 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG) Received: by ivan.Harhan.ORG (5.61.1.1/1.36) id AA12823; Mon, 5 Jun 00 19:14:51 CDT Date: Mon, 5 Jun 00 19:14:51 CDT From: msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) Message-Id: <0006060014.AA12823 at ivan.Harhan.ORG> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: 4.3BSD-Reno install on MicroVAX II Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > Today I tried to install 4.3BSD-Reno on a MicroVAX II. The machine has > 13MB RAM, DHV11, TK50, DELQA, one RD53 with RQDX3 and a Sigma DLV11-J > clone. 4.3BSD-Reno is spoiled and bloated, and won't fit on an RD53. The true 4.3BSD, however, 4.3BSD-Quasijarus, will. Go to http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Quasijarus/ to learn about the project and subscribe to its mailing list, then ask any further questions there. -- Michael Sokolov Harhan Engineering Laboratory Public Service Agent International Free Computing Task Force International Engineering and Science Task Force 615 N GOOD LATIMER EXPY STE #4 DALLAS TX 75204-5852 USA Phone: +1-214-824-7693 (Harhan Eng Lab office) E-mail: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA TCP/SMTP) (UUCP coming soon) Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11891 for pups-liszt; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:09:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mail.rapidsite.net ([209.238.3.57]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA11887 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:08:58 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from emu at ecubics.com) Received: from 209.238.157.134 (209.238.157.134) by mail08.gte-hosting.net (RS ver 1.0.53) with SMTP id 05418584 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005b01bfcf54$49da50b0$5d01a8c0 at p2350> From: "emanuel stiebler" To: References: <200006052246.AAA20067 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Subject: profesional 350 & 380 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:12:19 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi all, Any chance to get a unix running on them ? cheers & thanks, emanuel Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12552 for pups-liszt; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:52:45 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from smtp10.nwnexus.com (smtp10.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.53]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12548 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:52:34 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from djenner at halcyon.com) Received: from halcyon.com (jenner.net [206.63.251.66]) by smtp10.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28397; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <393C74F6.A19267C0 at halcyon.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:50:14 -0700 From: "David C. Jenner" Organization: Northwest Nexus Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emanuel stiebler CC: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: profesional 350 & 380 References: <200006052246.AAA20067 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> <005b01bfcf54$49da50b0$5d01a8c0 at p2350> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk There are at least two *NIXes that run on the Pro. There are apparently patches for 2.9BSD available that allow that version to run on the Pro. I don't have any experience with that. There are two versions of Venix that run on the Pro. 1) Venix/Pro came directly from Venturecom. It exists in Version 1 and Version 2. 2) Pro/Venix came from DEC, but was a slight rework of Venix originally from Venturecom. I.e., DEC worked over Venix/Pro and issued a version itself called Pro/Venix. Venix/Pro versions 1 and 2 are available from the archives at ftp.update.uu.se. This means, ostensibly, that Venix/Pro is in the "public domain". Pro/Venix could also be in the public domain, subject to the Ancient Unix License, since it originates from Version 7 and System III from AT&T. Bob Supnick, who was at DEC, once stated he saw no reason why it couldn't be a part of the PUPS archive under the AU License. I have an incomplete set of Pro/Venix. A couple of the floppies are bad. I would like to find a copy of Pro/Venix that is installable, as it is more flexible than Venix/Pro. If anyone out there has any Pro/Venix floppies, I'd be grateful to hear about it. Thanks, Dave emanuel stiebler wrote: > > Hi all, > > Any chance to get a unix running on them ? > > cheers & thanks, > emanuel Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12967 for pups-liszt; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:04:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from Zeke.Update.UU.SE (IDENT:2026 at Zeke.Update.uu.se [130.238.11.14]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12963 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:03:50 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from bqt at Update.UU.SE) Received: from localhost (bqt at localhost) by Zeke.Update.UU.SE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02730; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:01:21 +0200 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:01:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: Johnny Billquist To: emanuel stiebler cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: profesional 350 & 380 In-Reply-To: <005b01bfcf54$49da50b0$5d01a8c0 at p2350> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, emanuel stiebler wrote: > Hi all, > > Any chance to get a unix running on them ? There is Venix. I even think it's free now... Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13672 for pups-liszt; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:40:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de (sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.50]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13668 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:40:02 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) From: jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Received: from aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de ( exim at aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.3] ) by sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de id aa27109 for ; 6 Jun 2000 10:37 MESZ Received: from forelle32.wohnheim.uni-kl.de ([131.246.141.32] helo=unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) by aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 12zErU-000Cxm-00; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 10:37:24 +0200 Received: from unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24484; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:36:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200006060836.KAA24484 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:36:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: 4.3BSD-Reno install on MicroVAX II To: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au In-Reply-To: <0006060014.AA12823 at ivan.Harhan.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On 6 Jun, Michael Sokolov wrote: > 4.3BSD-Reno is spoiled and bloated, This is what I was waiting for. ;-) > and won't fit on an RD53. I have a Dilog DQ686 MCSP ESDI controler with three 320MB disks hany... And a QD33 with two 9" 940MB SMD disks. But these disks are nor very hany. ;-) > The true 4.3BSD however, 4.3BSD-Quasijarus, will. Hmm. [jkunz at MissSophie 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0a]$ file stand.Z stand.Z: data [jkunz at MissSophie 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0a]$ uncompress -c stand.Z > /bigtmp/tmp/stand uncompress: stand.Z: Inappropriate file type or format The same for 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0. This is my local PUPS / TUHS archive mirror, rsynced last week. MissSophie is a i386 box with NetBSD 1.4.2. > Go to > > http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Quasijarus/ Been there, sounds good, but see above... An other reason was: I wanted to install some "original" CSRG stuff. So I took 4.3BSD-Reno. The version in the archive is complete and supports my CPU/disk/tape. -- tschüß, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14832 for pups-liszt; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:13:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14828 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:13:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from allisonp at world.std.com) From: allisonp@world.std.com Received: from world.std.com (allisonp at world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07074; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (allisonp at localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19727; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:11:23 -0400 (EDT) To: "David C. Jenner" cc: emanuel stiebler , pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: profesional 350 & 380 In-Reply-To: <393C74F6.A19267C0 at halcyon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > I have an incomplete set of Pro/Venix. A couple of > the floppies are bad. I would like to find a copy > of Pro/Venix that is installable, as it is more > flexible than Venix/Pro. If anyone out there has > any Pro/Venix floppies, I'd be grateful to hear about > it. > I thought this one was up on uu.se site. I got my copy from there years ago. Allison Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15060 for pups-liszt; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:50:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from ivan.Harhan.ORG (ivan.Harhan.ORG [207.55.197.4]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA15055 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:50:08 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG) Received: by ivan.Harhan.ORG (5.61.1.1/1.36) id AA13729; Tue, 6 Jun 00 09:47:53 CDT Date: Tue, 6 Jun 00 09:47:53 CDT From: msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) Message-Id: <0006061447.AA13729 at ivan.Harhan.ORG> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: 4.3BSD-Reno install on MicroVAX II Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > [jkunz at MissSophie 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0a]$ file stand.Z=20 > stand.Z: data > [jkunz at MissSophie 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0a]$ uncompress -c stand.Z > /bigtmp/t= > mp/stand > uncompress: stand.Z: Inappropriate file type or format See http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Quasijarus/compress.html > An other reason was: I wanted > to install some "original" CSRG stuff. So I took 4.3BSD-Reno. 4.3BSD-Quasijarus is more original CSRG than 4.3BSD-Reno. Reno doesn't follow the True UNIX line of V1 thru V7 thru 4.3BSD, Quasijarus does. Reno breaks all traditional CSRG ideology and is not CSRG in any way other than having been built in Evans Hall. 4.3BSD-Quasijarus hasn't been built in Evans Hall, but is CSRG in every other way. -- Michael Sokolov Harhan Engineering Laboratory Public Service Agent International Free Computing Task Force International Engineering and Science Task Force 615 N GOOD LATIMER EXPY STE #4 DALLAS TX 75204-5852 USA Phone: +1-214-824-7693 (Harhan Eng Lab office) E-mail: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA TCP/SMTP) (UUCP coming soon) Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15719 for pups-liszt; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:19:28 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de (sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.50]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA15715 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:19:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) From: jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Received: from aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de ( exim at aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.3] ) by sun.rhrk.uni-kl.de id aa03211 ; 6 Jun 2000 18:17 MESZ Received: from forelle32.wohnheim.uni-kl.de ([131.246.141.32] helo=unixag-kl.fh-kl.de) by aixs1.rhrk.uni-kl.de with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 12zM2f-000CFc-00; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 18:17:25 +0200 Received: from unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25525; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:16:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200006061616.SAA25525 at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:16:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: 4.3BSD-Reno install on MicroVAX II To: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au In-Reply-To: <0006061447.AA13729 at ivan.Harhan.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On 6 Jun, Michael Sokolov wrote: > See > http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Quasijarus/compress.html Ahhh! Why is there no note in the distribution directory? Ehhh? And where to get the code? Why is there no hint to it on the web page? Distributions/4bsd/components/compress.tar ??? The Web-Page says: "The strong compression code is available as a separate package in the BSD distribution archive (it is itself uncompressed)." But the Distributions/4bsd/4.3BSD-Quasijarus0a directory does not contain it. > 4.3BSD-Quasijarus is more original CSRG than 4.3BSD-Reno. Reno doesn't follow > the True UNIX line of V1 thru V7 thru 4.3BSD, Quasijarus does. [...] Is there some documentation available about this? -- tschüß, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16017 for pups-liszt; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:22:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from ivan.Harhan.ORG (ivan.Harhan.ORG [207.55.197.4]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA16013 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:22:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG) Received: by ivan.Harhan.ORG (5.61.1.1/1.36) id AA14055; Tue, 6 Jun 00 12:19:48 CDT Date: Tue, 6 Jun 00 12:19:48 CDT From: msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) Message-Id: <0006061719.AA14055 at ivan.Harhan.ORG> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: 4.3BSD-Reno install on MicroVAX II Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > Ahhh! Why is there no note in the distribution directory? OK, I'll add one. > Ehhh? And where to get the code? Why is there no hint to it on the web > page? Distributions/4bsd/components/compress.tar ??? Yes. > The Web-Page says: "The strong compression code is available as a > separate package in the BSD distribution archive (it is itself > uncompressed)." Hmm, I thought this was enough info for folks to figure out that components/compress.tar is the right tarball... > But the Distributions/4bsd/4.3BSD-Quasijarus0a directory > does not contain it. It's in the components directory, as opposed to the tape distribution directory for any particular release, because it's a grabbed-out BSD component that can be used with any release. The tape distribution directories have exactly what goes on the tape in the format it goes there, nothing more, nothing less. > > 4.3BSD-Quasijarus is more original CSRG than 4.3BSD-Reno. Reno doesn't follow > > the True UNIX line of V1 thru V7 thru 4.3BSD, Quasijarus does. > [...] > Is there some documentation available about this? I have something along these lines on the front page of the Quasijarus project. But sure, I should elaborate. I will when I respond to Warren's PUPS/TUHS reorg thing, which I'm still procrastinating on. :-) -- Michael Sokolov Harhan Engineering Laboratory Public Service Agent International Free Computing Task Force International Engineering and Science Task Force 615 N GOOD LATIMER EXPY STE #4 DALLAS TX 75204-5852 USA Phone: +1-214-824-7693 (Harhan Eng Lab office) E-mail: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA TCP/SMTP) (UUCP coming soon) Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16405 for pups-liszt; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:39:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mmail.bia-bg.com (qmailr at mmail.bia-bg.com [212.116.129.29]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA16400 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:39:28 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from pzh at bia-bg.com) Received: (qmail 16852 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2000 17:36:05 -0000 Received: from mmail.bia-bg.com (pzh at 212.116.129.29) by mmail.bia-bg.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2000 17:36:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:36:05 +0300 (EET DST) From: Peter Zhivkov To: Michael Sokolov cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: 4.3BSD-Reno install on MicroVAX II In-Reply-To: <0006061447.AA13729 at ivan.Harhan.ORG> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Michael Sokolov wrote: > 4.3BSD-Quasijarus is more original CSRG than 4.3BSD-Reno. Reno doesn't follow > the True UNIX line of V1 thru V7 thru 4.3BSD, Quasijarus does. Reno breaks all > traditional CSRG ideology and is not CSRG in any way other than having been > built in Evans Hall. 4.3BSD-Quasijarus hasn't been built in Evans Hall, but is > CSRG in every other way. > people, please administer proper dosage...and do not let patients out of the boundaries of the asylum... > -- > Michael Sokolov Harhan Engineering Laboratory > Public Service Agent International Free Computing Task Force > International Engineering and Science Task Force > 615 N GOOD LATIMER EXPY STE #4 > DALLAS TX 75204-5852 USA > > Phone: +1-214-824-7693 (Harhan Eng Lab office) > E-mail: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA TCP/SMTP) (UUCP coming soon) > > P.S. please take me off the quasijarus list Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA16600 for pups-liszt; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 05:10:46 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from guildenstern.shaffstall.com (cisdn-2.on-net.net [206.229.84.2]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16596 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 05:10:41 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jasomill at shaffstall.com) Received: from localhost (jasomill at localhost) by guildenstern.shaffstall.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05700 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:06:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: guildenstern.shaffstall.com: jasomill owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:06:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason T. Miller" To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: RX50 on RQDX3 on 2.11BSD In-Reply-To: <200005261407.AAA44464 at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Does anyone have experience using the RX50 floppy drive under 2.11BSD? I patched my FreeBSD kernel to handle RX50-format (80 cyl / 1 hd / 10 sec) diskettes, and noticed what seemed to be some sort of logical sector interleave (I also have hardware that does physical diskette reads / dumps, which assured me that I was getting the physical data off the disk in the order prescribed by the sector ID address marks); so, back to the old '11 for another round of test-disk making. My test data was simple enough: 512 bytes of 16-bit unsigned integer one, followed by 512 bytes of UINT16 2, usw. to UINT16 800; the easier to figure out the interleave, my precious... But I didna even get that far: observe (testrx50.img is 409,600 bytes): $ dd if=testrx50.img of=/dev/ra12a 800+0 records in 800+0 records out $ dd if=/dev/ra12a of=test 800+0 records in 800+0 records out $ diff testrx50.img test Binary files testrx50.img and test differ WHOA! This shouldn't happen, should it? In my late-night screwings-around, I recall the following Additional Facts: - Disks formatted with my PC floppy drive (using my kernel hacks - available on request [although until I get them working, no guarantees in re: their applicability to this or any other use; although I will attest that they won't make your kernel crash, at least not in 4.0-STABLE]) usually work okay, but sometimes give hard errors. - Disks formatted with the aforementioned Custom Hardware (a Shaffstall 6000 media conversion system, for the curious) for a) DEC Rainbow, b) RT-11, and c) DECmate II, seem to work flawlessly, at the physical level, but exhibit the below-mentioned quirks, logically. I'll note at this point that the media I'm using is 3M DS/DD 96tpi (_not_ high density), and disks formatted with the 6000 (RT-11) worked perfectly under RSX-11. Also: - The '11/2.11BSD never seem to write the first two sectors, although no error is returned to this effect; in fact, the data in sector three is from offset 1024 in the input data (0x0003 in the above example). Is this due to disk label support or something? The raw (character) device reports itself as read-only, even for root. - The remaining data sometimes (but not always; the specific circumstances involved I have not yet figured out conclusively -- physical interleave, preexisting data (!), or, something else?) carries an interleave, though I admit I haven't figured it out yet (meaning I haven't sat down and done it, not that I don't know how). Finally, I noticed there is no floppy-specific code in the MSCP driver, so all the gory details of floppy control (along with the gory details of the above) must be dealt with by the RQDX3. Anybody got documentation for this little slice 'o heaven? And, er, _really_ finally, is it really true that I can put any HD AT drive (well, any one that sports DS jumpers) on the RQDX3 and it'll function as an RX33? Does this void my field service contract, as my field service engineer is growing bored with staying up all night trying to understand funky DEC floppy hardware, as Parts currently has Guinness on a 180-day lead and it is a neccessary part of such an operation? Wonder what DEC would think of allowing (providing?) old PDP hardware docs for the archive? JasoMill