New Unix Heritage List, was Re: PLEASE TAKE THIS ELSEWHERE

New Unix Heritage List, was Re: PLEASE TAKE THIS ELSEWHERE

[Warren Toomey]

In article by David O'Brien:
> I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I
> guess one needs to be created) would be possible.

I will create one today or tomorrow:

	tuhs at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au	Unix Heritage

	pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au	PDP-11 Unix

You will all be subscribed to both lists. To be removed from a list,
send e-mail to majordomo at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au with the line

	unsubscribe pups, or
	unsubscribe tuhs

For those on the digested list (twice weekly), ditto except

	unsubscribe pups-digest, or
	unsubscribe tuhs-digest

I will announce the new list(s) using them as a vehicle soon. That way,
the announcement becomes some test mail :)

Until then, tolerate the system-specific e-mail for just a bit longer.

Cheers,
	Warren

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Subject: Re: New Unix Heritage List, was Re: PLEASE TAKE THIS ELSEWHERE
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On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 08:50:48AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> In article by David O'Brien:
> > I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I
> > guess one needs to be created) would be possible.

Hi Warren,

I was wrong for my email.  The feed back has been that people like the
combined list.  I have to admit I too like to see some of the PDP-11
info.  I just felt the last thread had gotten off topic when it moved on
to purely PDP-11 hardware.  I have been told I was wrong.

-- 
-- David    (obrien at NUXI.com)

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In article by David O'Brien:
> I was wrong for my email.  The feed back has been that people like the
> combined list.  I have to admit I too like to see some of the PDP-11
> info.  I just felt the last thread had gotten off topic when it moved on
> to purely PDP-11 hardware.  I have been told I was wrong.
> -- David    (obrien at NUXI.com)

Everybody, here is a person who has courage & honesty. Thanks for that, David.

However, I will still create two groups, because it will allow
more specific content to be addressed where relevant.

Cheers!
	Warren

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Hello,
	This is to inform you that you are subscribed to the PDP Unix
Preservation Society's mailing list at pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au. This
list is specifically to deal with running versions of Unix on the PDP-11
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Cheers!
	Warren

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Subject: Re: PLEASE TAKE THIS ELSEWHERE (was Re: RX50 on RQDX3 on 2.11BSD)
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 > Delivered-To: leypold at lesbains.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de
 > From: Tim Bradshaw <tfb at cley.com>
 > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:11:30 +0100 (BST)
 > Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au
 > 
 > * David O'Brien wrote:
 > 
 > > This goes back to the UHS / PUPS discussion.  I didn't vote so before,
 > > but maybe it is time to separate the mail for the two.  I agree that the
 > > first posts were interesting in the historical insight that could be
 > > gained.  But this thread has turned into a rather long hardware
 > > discussion applicable to only a handful of people that have this
 > > hardware.
 > 
 > > I do not mean to be mean, but it seems moving this to some PDP-11 list (I
 > > guess one needs to be created) would be possible.
 > 
 > Please don't.  I love reading discussions of random old bits of
 > hardware, and such discussions have gone on on the PUPS list for a
 > long time.


So do I. Actually I can understand the need of some participants to
somehow reduce their mail volume. On the other side, it seems to be
quite difficult to draw the exact line between on- and
offtopic. Personally I try to filter as good as I can, and admittedly I
do not read everything at once (and sometimes only weeks later).

Regards -- Markus


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On Thursday,  1 June 2000 at 10:25:34 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> All,
> 	A discussion has started up on the PUPS volunteers list about the
> future direction we should take in terms of the PUPS Archive.
>
> For those people new to this list, here's a bit of background. Originally
> I set up the PDP-11 UNIX Preservation Society, the mailing list and the
> Archive as that was my interest.
>
> Since then, we've attracted people with interests in other Unixes, such
> as the 4BSDs, and other hardware platforms such as the Vax, the 68k Suns
> etc.
>
> A while back, I changed the charter of the mailing list to encompass any
> Unix-related questions, epecially to those systems which are now treated
> as `ancient' by the mainstream, even if they are being maintained (e.g
> 2.11BSD and the Quasijarus project).
>
> I also tried to create an umbrella organisation, the Unix Heritage Society
> (http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/TUHS/), which would allow a number of groups
> like PUPS and Quasijarus to form, and so that we could co-ordinate their
> efforts. I must admit I haven't put much effort into this idea.
>
> Now, the PUPS Archive (PUPS in name, but it contains lots more than PDP-11
> stuff) is accumulating more and more stuff. Some people want to see a
> mainly PDP-11 archive, other want to try and archive everything before it
> goes off to /dev/null.
>
> So, I want to survey the mailing list here for ideas about the charter of
> the Unix Heritage Society, and a way of setting up one or multiple archives,
> mailing lists, web pages etc. as I originally envisioned.
>
> Questions:
> 	- should we keep one archive, or have multiple archives?

I don't really think it makes any difference.  Structure one archive
well, and you can get the individual platform archives simply by going
down a directory level.  The problem is, of course, that some software
can be relevant to multiple platforms.

> 	- if one, what structure (divisions on platforms, on vendors etc.)

I'd be inclined to go for the hardware platform, but I haven't thought
it through.  Ultimately it would probably depend on the nature of the
software that came in.

> 	- if you have a keen interest in one platform/system, would you
> 	  consider becoming the leader of an interest group that could
> 	  sit under the Unix Heritage Society umbrella?

No, I don't think so.  But you might be able to twist my arm.

> 	- do you want to set up and maintain a more specific archive,
> 	  mailing list, web site, that the Unix Heritage Society could
> 	  point to?

No.

> 	- do you want this current mailing list to stay ``all-encompassing'',
> 	  or would you rather have more specific lists?

Personally I'd like it to be all-encompassing, but then, it's only a
small part of the 1000 messages I get per day, and it's easy to delete
messages I don't want to read.

> [ now stands back for the deluge! ]

That really happened, didn't it?

Greg
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