From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: pino@dohd.org (Martijn van Buul) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:36:31 +0200 Subject: [pups] How to arrange bootable media for 2.11BSD? In-Reply-To: <200010100436.VAA01412@moe.2bsd.com>; from sms@moe.2bsd.com on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 09:36:03PM -0700 References: <200010100436.VAA01412@moe.2bsd.com> Message-ID: <20001010203631.A29606@mud.stack.nl> *whoops*. I've been mailing personal replies, instead of replies to the list. Too much relying on procmail, I suppose. Steven M. Schultz wrote: > It is an 11/53 or better (73, 83, 93)? There were numerous "MicroPDP" > systems made but some of them were 11/23 or 23+ and those will not > run 2.11BSD It's a 11/53+ (aka: 1.5 MB RAM), which *should* be able to run 2.11BSD. > What OS did you manage to get Kermit running under? Micro/RSX > I do not believe Kermit itself can handle the multiple block sizes used > when writing the files that make up the "boot tape". Do you have any > development facilities on the currently running system? If so then it > might be possible to write a program to create a tape from the files > brought over via kermit. There is a Macro-assembler, and reportedly a PASCAL compiler. However, my Micro/RSX skills (let alone -programming skills) should be considered rudimentary - the only resource I have is the on-line helpfile (which isn't very clear every now and then). > If you've a PC with a 5.25" drive and the ability to do image copies > to it ('dd' on a *BSD* or Linux system) that might be one way to > get 2.11 over to the MicroPDP. A single RX33 can easily hold the > standalone programs (boot, disklabel, restore, mkfs, icheck) and > it only takes 3 or 4 RX33 disks to hold a root filesystem dump. The "RX33" is working (that's how I was able to low-level format two MFM disks, and how I got Kermit running). And yes, I have a Minix-VMD box with a 5.25" HD drive. For the sake of completeness, I'll include the currently available hardware: KJD11-D/S (processor), DZQ11, TK50, RQDX3 with one RD32A, a third-party 21MB MFM disk (ST225, RD33? 31? Something like that), a second 21MB MFM disk standing by (A microscribe of some sort), a 5.25" PC floppy drive shoe-horned into a RX33, and a DELQA card. (Well, that's what I have installed right now. I do have some other cards, including a DRV11-J "Hi-density parallell line unit" and some strange VG-Electronics cards (which they claim are specific to surface analysis)) And a spare TK50 mechanic.. -- Martijn van Buul - Pino at dohd.org - http://www.stack.nl/~martijnb/ Geek code: G-- - Visit OuterSpace: mud.stack.nl 3333 Kees J. Bot: The sum of CPU power and user brain power is a constant. Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA89483 for pups-liszt; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:01:31 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA89479 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:01:30 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA86567 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:02:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA89039 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:18:58 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkb at freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13j6mm-000Msu-00; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:18:08 +0000 Received: (from wkb at localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9ALKBR08942; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:20:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:20:11 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Martijn van Buul Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] How to arrange bootable media for 2.11BSD? Message-ID: <20001010232011.A8918 at freebie.demon.nl> References: <20001009153936.A18313 at mud.stack.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001009153936.A18313 at mud.stack.nl>; from pino at dohd.org on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 03:39:36PM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko at freebsd.org Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 03:39:36PM +0200, Martijn van Buul wrote: > I've about given up hope to create a 2.11 boottape myself[1], so I'm wondering > what to do next. I have this MicroPDP, with a DELQA network card, a PC > 5.25" diskdrive shoe-horned into working as RX33 and a TK50 tape drive. > If it helps: I've managed to get Kermit running on the PDP, but I haven't > figured out if it is possible to "kermit" to the tapedrive directly. Probably > not. > > Any hints? Well... you can borrow one of my TK50s with 2.11 on it ;-) -- Wilko Bulte wilko at freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA89462 for pups-liszt; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:00:59 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA89458 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:00:57 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA86549 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:02:09 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca (root at scapa.cs.ualberta.ca [129.128.4.44]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA86250 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:31:16 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from mark at cs.ualberta.ca) Received: (from localhost user: 'mark' uid#150 fake: goodfare.cs.ualberta.ca) by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:30:25 -0600 Subject: Re: [pups] How to arrange bootable media for 2.11BSD? In-Reply-To: <20001009153936.A18313 at mud.stack.nl> from Martijn van Buul at "Oct 9, 2000 03:39:36 pm" From: Mark Green To: Martijn van Buul Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:30:24 -0600 (MDT) CC: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20001010143026Z433793-12555+100 at scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > Ahoy! > > I've about given up hope to create a 2.11 boottape myself[1], so I'm wondering > what to do next. I have this MicroPDP, with a DELQA network card, a PC > 5.25" diskdrive shoe-horned into working as RX33 and a TK50 tape drive. > If it helps: I've managed to get Kermit running on the PDP, but I haven't > figured out if it is possible to "kermit" to the tapedrive directly. Probably > not. > > Any hints? If you need a TK50 with 2.11 on it I could produce one for you (provided that you have jumped through all the license hoops). The only sticky point might be shipping, where are you located? I'm travelling a lot this month, so it may take a week or so to get it done. -- Dr. Mark Green mark at cs.ualberta.ca McCalla Professor (780) 492-4584 Department of Computing Science (780) 492-1071 (FAX) University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, T6G 2H1, Canada Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA90520 for pups-liszt; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:24:54 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA90516 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:24:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA87119 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:26:04 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0 at MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA90503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:23:56 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sms at moe.2bsd.com) Received: (from sms at localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13052 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" Message-Id: <200010110012.RAA13052 at moe.2bsd.com> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] How to arrange bootable media for 2.11BSD? Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi - > From: Martijn van Buul > *whoops*. > > I've been mailing personal replies, instead of replies to the list. Too much > relying on procmail, I suppose. ;) > It's a 11/53+ (aka: 1.5 MB RAM), which *should* be able to run 2.11BSD. Indeed it should be able to. I personally have not done so but the processor/mmu meet all the criteria and 1.5MB is perfect. > The "RX33" is working (that's how I was able to low-level format two I have a "RX33" on my 11/73 so I can create a boot disk and the root filesystem dump (split over 3 or 4 1.2MB disk images). > For the sake of completeness, I'll include the currently available > hardware: Ah, thanks! That answers some other questions I was going to ask ;) > KJD11-D/S (processor), DZQ11, TK50, RQDX3 with one RD32A, a third-party > 21MB MFM disk (ST225, RD33? 31? Something like that), a second 21MB > MFM disk standing by (A microscribe of some sort), a 5.25" PC floppy > drive shoe-horned into a RX33, and a DELQA card. It is going to take some creative symlink and mount point work to fit 2.11 into 20MB disks - the system really expects to have ~80MB at least for /usr. An RD54 at 159MB is more than enough but a RD53 paired with a couple RD32/3 would be adequate. Steven Schultz sms at to.gd-es.com