From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:50:40 +1100 (EST) Subject: [pups] Ultrix bootable disk images in UNIX Archive Message-ID: <200102210250.f1L2oeq04843@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Hi all, Bill Gunshannon has sent me his Ultrix-3.1 disk images, and they are now in the UNIX Archive at PDP-11/Boot_Images/Ultrix-3.1. I've knocked up a short README from his e-mails too. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA96042 for pups-liszt; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:42:51 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mail2.microsoft.com (mail2.microsoft.com [131.107.3.124]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA96038 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:42:47 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from iking at microsoft.com) Received: from 157.54.1.52 by mail2.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:38:56 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.12.71]) by inet-imc-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.1600); Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:37:44 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4418.65 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09BC8.69E15122" Subject: [pups] VTServer 2.0 - Note from the Field Date: 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Feb 2001 16:55:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.11.2/8.9.3) id f1L5xRY02765; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:59:27 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <200102210559.f1L5xRY02765 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: [pups] VTServer 2.0 - Note from the Field In-Reply-To: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C0235D1C0 at red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> from Ian King at "Feb 20, 2001 09:37:43 pm" To: Ian King Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:59:26 +1100 (EST) CC: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society Reply-To: wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Ian King: [ some strange Microsoft e-mail format, Ian can you send plain ASCII next time, ta! ] > A couple of notes about this: > * With a real PDP-11, I found it necessary to use the stty command > for no hardware handshaking. On Linux 2.2 and using COM1, it's: > > stty 9600 cs8 clocal -crtscts < /dev/ttyS0 > > * I think .vtrc may have changed from the earlier version; I tried > to just hack a copy of the old one and found the format had changed. > The first line is the shell command to set the device parameters (as set > forth above), the second line is the device itself (e.g. /dev/ttyS0), > and the following lines are the "tape" records. Warren, may I suggest > adding some text to the readme about this? I had to figure it out.... Yep, that's documented in http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Vtserver/vtserver/vtreadme.txt as follows: The file .vtrc is the server's configuration file. Lines beginning with hashes are ignored. The first (non-hashed) gives a shell command to set the correct speed and parity of the serial line. The second line names the serial device. Remaining lines name the fictitious tape's records, and should be tinyboot, copy, and the name of your disk image. > * It's not extremely clear from the readme, but start VTServer > first, then the PDP-11 code. It wasn't that hard to key in with the > programmer's panel. :-) Thanks, can you suggest changes to the above document which would help to clarify this? Also, Fred van Kempen has added commands to send down the bootstrap code if the PDP-11 has ODT. I'll add this to the server once I get the code from Fred. > Please don't get me wrong, I'm grateful that you wrote this and not me. > :-) But you did ask for feedback, and I'm sending this to the PUPS list > with the hope it will help anyone else with a similar situation. Thanks Ian, yes I'm always happy for feedback. You might also try the two Ultrix RL02 images that Bill Gunshannon also donated to the archive, as he booted these on an 11/23 ok. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA99815 for pups-liszt; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 04:33:22 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mailhost.cs.uofs.edu (mailhost.cs.uofs.edu [134.198.169.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA99811 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 04:33:17 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from bill at cs.uofs.edu) Received: from triangle.cs.uofs.edu (IDENT:root at triangle.cs.uofs.edu [134.198.172.101]) by mailhost.cs.uofs.edu (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA25143 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (bill at localhost) by triangle.cs.uofs.edu (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10589 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:29:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: triangle.cs.uofs.edu: bill owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:29:48 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Gunshannon To: PUPS Mailing List Subject: [pups] creating disk images Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk I know it is probably simple, but my experience is with the real thing and this is the first time I have tried to do anything but play with one of the emulators. How do you create new blank disk images for the Supnik emulator?? In particular, I am trying to create some RM03's to give me more room to work with Ultrix-11. I am trying to make some install kits on different media so that more people will be able to get it, not only on emulators, but also on real machines, where it is much more fun. :-) I have tried using the empty files the emulator creates. I have tried dd'ing /dev/zero into a file to the size of the disk. I have tried using format from xxdp. Nothing seems to work. Is there a specific procedure to follow?? Any help greatly appreciated. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill at cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA99937 for pups-liszt; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 05:03:17 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mail4.microsoft.com (mail4.microsoft.com [131.107.3.122]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA99933 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 05:03:13 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from iking at microsoft.com) Received: from 157.54.1.52 by mail4.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:59:20 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: from red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.12.71]) by inet-imc-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.1600); Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:58:58 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4418.65 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [pups] VTServer 2.0 - Note from the Field Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:58:58 -0800 Message-ID: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C018EEBCC at red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [pups] VTServer 2.0 - Note from the Field Thread-Index: AcCbyoAC501SlnMLQC+diXLE8CEbYgAZSNxQ From: "Ian King" To: Cc: "PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2001 17:58:58.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6FCC310:01C09C2F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au id FAA99934 Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Further good news: it boots! I have a V6 image from Ken Wellsch (thanks, Ken) booting on my 11/34. Now I have lots to figure out.... -- Ian PS: Warren, I was mailing from the Web access client, so it was probably HTML - sorry. -----Original Message----- From: Warren Toomey [mailto:wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:59 PM To: Ian King Cc: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society Subject: Re: [pups] VTServer 2.0 - Note from the Field In article by Ian King: [ some strange Microsoft e-mail format, Ian can you send plain ASCII next time, ta! ] > A couple of notes about this: > * With a real PDP-11, I found it necessary to use the stty command > for no hardware handshaking. On Linux 2.2 and using COM1, it's: > > stty 9600 cs8 clocal -crtscts < /dev/ttyS0 > > * I think .vtrc may have changed from the earlier version; I tried > to just hack a copy of the old one and found the format had changed. > The first line is the shell command to set the device parameters (as set > forth above), the second line is the device itself (e.g. /dev/ttyS0), > and the following lines are the "tape" records. Warren, may I suggest > adding some text to the readme about this? I had to figure it out.... Yep, that's documented in http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Vtserver/vtserver/vtreadme.txt as follows: The file .vtrc is the server's configuration file. Lines beginning with hashes are ignored. The first (non-hashed) gives a shell command to set the correct speed and parity of the serial line. The second line names the serial device. Remaining lines name the fictitious tape's records, and should be tinyboot, copy, and the name of your disk image. > * It's not extremely clear from the readme, but start VTServer > first, then the PDP-11 code. It wasn't that hard to key in with the > programmer's panel. :-) Thanks, can you suggest changes to the above document which would help to clarify this? Also, Fred van Kempen has added commands to send down the bootstrap code if the PDP-11 has ODT. I'll add this to the server once I get the code from Fred. > Please don't get me wrong, I'm grateful that you wrote this and not me. > :-) But you did ask for feedback, and I'm sending this to the PUPS list > with the hope it will help anyone else with a similar situation. Thanks Ian, yes I'm always happy for feedback. You might also try the two Ultrix RL02 images that Bill Gunshannon also donated to the archive, as he booted these on an 11/23 ok. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA00120 for pups-liszt; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 05:21:05 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from arundel.fortyfour.org (138bus2.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.138.2]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00113 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 05:21:01 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from kwellsch at tampabay.rr.com) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arundel.fortyfour.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f1LIHRa07936; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:17:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A940637.83A0591B at tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:17:27 -0500 From: Ken Wellsch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.38 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian King CC: wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au, PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society Subject: Re: [pups] VTServer 2.0 - Note from the Field References: <8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C018EEBCC at red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Ian King wrote: > > Further good news: it boots! I have a V6 image from Ken Wellsch > (thanks, Ken) booting on my 11/34. Now I have lots to figure out.... > -- Ian > > PS: Warren, I was mailing from the Web access client, so it was probably > HTML - sorry. I likely come across as an arrogant SOB - I hardly deserve credit for the image. My part was one of deciphering what came off an old 800 BPI mag tape a decade ago and caring about preserving this bit of the past. Folks you don't know like Ian! Allen who handed me the tape from the Computer Graphics Lab at U of Waterloo (and the CGL folks for hanging onto the tape in their library) to folks like Alan Bowler who kindly pulled a raw image of the tape off on our old Honeywell system because all our UNIX systems did not support 800 BPI on their tape drives any more... Those are just some of the people that preceded that image - not even mentioning the folks that brought you V6 in the first place... Then afterward folks like Warren for tirelessly making PUPS happen... Cheers, -- Ken