[TUHS] SCO vs. IBM: Eric Raymond striking a blow for ... something

[TUHS] SCO vs. IBM: Eric Raymond striking a blow for ... something

[Norman Wilson]

Aharon Robbins:

  I just saw this:

	http://www.catb.org/~esr/nosecrets/

  This either Very Smart or Very Dumb, I'm not sure which.

I will just point out the recursive conflict when he says

  I can't talk about how this information will be applied, nor by
  who.  You'll have to trust me, or at any rate my record as
  ambassador to the community ...

I find it hard to take a secret No Secrets campaign seriously.
If I am to be used as an example of something or to promote some
cause, I think it's only fair that the campaigner tell me just
what he's up to first.

That such a campaign exists in the current context also sounds to
me like an admission that substantial parts of Linux were in fact
lifted directly from a licensed UNIX.  That that might be so seems
surprising; that someone would want to prove it was OK even more so.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON

[TUHS] SCO vs. IBM: Eric Raymond striking a blow for ... something

[Kenneth Stailey]

--- Norman Wilson <norman at nose.cs.utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Aharon Robbins:
> 
>   I just saw this:
> 
> 	http://www.catb.org/~esr/nosecrets/
> 
>   This either Very Smart or Very Dumb, I'm not sure which.
> 
> I will just point out the recursive conflict when he says
> 
>   I can't talk about how this information will be applied, nor by
>   who.  You'll have to trust me, or at any rate my record as
>   ambassador to the community ...
> 
> I find it hard to take a secret No Secrets campaign seriously.
> If I am to be used as an example of something or to promote some
> cause, I think it's only fair that the campaigner tell me just
> what he's up to first.

If ESR told the world what he was going to do with the evidence then the
opposition would be able to prepare for it.

> That such a campaign exists in the current context also sounds to
> me like an admission that substantial parts of Linux were in fact
> lifted directly from a licensed UNIX.

Hmmm.  Either that or he's trying to keep all the bases covered.  What happened
in reality and what they prove in the courts need not be the same as we have
seen as time and again Microsoft goes to trial and gets off.

It helps to have a fallback arguement ready.

> That that might be so seems
> surprising; that someone would want to prove it was OK even more so.
> 
> Norman Wilson
> Toronto ON
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[TUHS] SCO vs. IBM: NOVELL steps up to the plate

[Kenneth Stailey]

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Press Release

	Novell Challenges SCO Position, Reiterates Support for Linux

PROVO, Utah � May 28, 2003 � Defending its interests in developing services to
operate on the Linux platform, Novell today issued a dual challenge to The SCO
Group over its recent statements regarding its UNIX ownership and potential
intellectual property rights claims over Linux.

First, Novell challenged SCO's assertion that it owns the copyrights and
patents to UNIX System V, pointing out that the asset purchase agreement
entered into between Novell and SCO in 1995 did not transfer these rights to
SCO. Second, Novell sought from SCO facts to back up its assertion that certain
UNIX System V code has been copied into Linux. Novell communicated these
concerns to SCO via a letter (text below) from Novell� Chairman and CEO Jack
Messman in response to SCO making these claims.

more:

http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2003/05/pr03033.html

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[TUHS] SCO vs. IBM: Eric Raymond striking a blow for ... something

[Aharon Robbins]

> I find it hard to take a secret No Secrets campaign seriously.

That says it well.

> That such a campaign exists in the current context also sounds to
> me like an admission that substantial parts of Linux were in fact
> lifted directly from a licensed UNIX.  That that might be so seems
> surprising; that someone would want to prove it was OK even more so.

I think it's more of a "How dare anyone even think licensed code was
lifted?  We all know better than that. I'm gonna show you that you don't
even have a leg to stand on."

Whatever.  Anyone with any sense knows that SCO hasn't got much ground
to stand on.  Sadly, "anyone with any sense" likely doesn't cover
the judge and the jury.

Sigh.  (Fade to black, as Dionne Warwick sings "Deja Vu" in the
background...)

Arnold

[TUHS] SCO vs. IBM: Eric Raymond striking a blow for ... something

[Aharon Robbins]

I just saw this:

	http://www.catb.org/~esr/nosecrets/

This either Very Smart or Very Dumb, I'm not sure which.  I don't know
that it need be discussed to death on this list, either, but I do figure
that the list members will at least be interested in it.

Arnold

[TUHS] SCO vs. IBM: Eric Raymond striking a blow for ... something

[Kenneth Stailey]

--- Aharon Robbins <arnold at skeeve.com> wrote:
> I just saw this:
> 
> 	http://www.catb.org/~esr/nosecrets/
> 
> This either Very Smart or Very Dumb, I'm not sure which.  I don't know
> that it need be discussed to death on this list, either, but I do figure
> that the list members will at least be interested in it.
> 
> Arnold

I think the intent is to to demonstrate that they did not value their trade
secrets and did not make an effort to (even just a show of an effort) to defend
them.  By showing that tens of thousands of people had access to the UNIX
source that was supposed to be a secret and SCO not going after any of them
(unlike, say, Microsoft's defending Windows source) will weaken their arguments
that these were valuable trade secrets.



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