[TUHS] UNIX/32V

[TUHS] UNIX/32V

[nao]

Hi,

I am interested in the history of VAX unices. On the modern extreme, I
obtained a pretty VAXstation 4000/VLC and it runs NetBSD now. I am
more than happy to play the original rogue from 4.2BSD. On the ancient
extreme, since I dare not to tame a beast like PDP-11/780, I am
reading various papers and codes.

Now I am searching for the original article of UNIX/32V: T. B. London
& J. F. Reiser, ``A UNIX Operating System for the DEC VAX-11/780
Computer,'' Technical Report TM-78-1353-4, Bell Laboratories, Murray
Hill, NJ(July 1978), but it seems quite hard to find it. Is there
anyone who can tell me how can I obtain a copy?

Regards,

-nao

[TUHS] UNIX/32V

[Robert Brockway]

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, nao wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am interested in the history of VAX unices. On the modern extreme, I
> obtained a pretty VAXstation 4000/VLC and it runs NetBSD now. I am
> more than happy to play the original rogue from 4.2BSD. On the ancient
> extreme, since I dare not to tame a beast like PDP-11/780, I am

There are a number of PDP-11 emulators around these days, one of
these might be the way to go.  Some links:

http://simh.trailing-edge.com/
http://www.pdp11.org/
http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp11emu.html
http://www.dbit.com/

Rob

-- 
Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert at timetraveller.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net
Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org)
"The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah

[TUHS] UNIX/32V

[Wesley Parish]

I was wondering as well, are there any VAX assembler manuals online, in an 
easily-copyable form?

I've encountered html ones, but that isn't quite what I mean.

Wesley Parish

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:21, Robert Brockway wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, nao wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am interested in the history of VAX unices. On the modern extreme, I
> > obtained a pretty VAXstation 4000/VLC and it runs NetBSD now. I am
> > more than happy to play the original rogue from 4.2BSD. On the ancient
> > extreme, since I dare not to tame a beast like PDP-11/780, I am
>
> There are a number of PDP-11 emulators around these days, one of
> these might be the way to go.  Some links:
>
> http://simh.trailing-edge.com/
> http://www.pdp11.org/
> http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp11emu.html
> http://www.dbit.com/
>
> Rob

-- 
Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?"
You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata."
I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

[TUHS] UNIX/32V

[Robert Brockway]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Wesley Parish wrote:

> I was wondering as well, are there any VAX assembler manuals online, in an
> easily-copyable form?

Have you tried using tools like html2text?  Maybe they will do a decent
job for you.

Rob

-- 
Robert Brockway B.Sc. email: robert at timetraveller.org, zzbrock at uqconnect.net
Linux counter project ID #16440 (http://counter.li.org)
"The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens" -Baha'u'llah

[TUHS] UNIX/32V

[Kroumovi, Ivaylo & Mladena]

Wesley Parish wrote:

> I was wondering as well, are there any VAX assembler manuals online, in an
> easily-copyable form?
>
> I've encountered html ones, but that isn't quite what I mean.
>
> Wesley Parish

here's some vax assembly manuals i found recently:

brief, 15 pages description:

	"VAX Architecture & Assembly Reference"
	Rochester Institute of Technology, 2001 ??
	http://www.cs.rit.edu/~icss352/document/vax_pkt.pdf

huge, 500+ pages, ultra-comprehensive:

	"VAX MACRO and Instruction Set Reference Manual"
	Compaq Computer Corporation, 2001
	http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/OVMS_73_VAX_MACRO_REF.pdf

ivak

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[Wesley Parish]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:00, Kroumovi, Ivaylo & Mladena wrote:
> Wesley Parish wrote:
> > I was wondering as well, are there any VAX assembler manuals online, in
> > an easily-copyable form?
> >
> > I've encountered html ones, but that isn't quite what I mean.
> >
> > Wesley Parish
>
> here's some vax assembly manuals i found recently:
>
> brief, 15 pages description:
>
> 	"VAX Architecture & Assembly Reference"
> 	Rochester Institute of Technology, 2001 ??
> 	http://www.cs.rit.edu/~icss352/document/vax_pkt.pdf
>
> huge, 500+ pages, ultra-comprehensive:
>
> 	"VAX MACRO and Instruction Set Reference Manual"
> 	Compaq Computer Corporation, 2001
> 	http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/OVMS_73_VAX_MACRO_
>REF.pdf

Thanks!  I've started downloading them.

Wesley Parish

>
> ivak

-- 
Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?"
You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata."
I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

[TUHS] UNIX/32V

[Norman Wilson]

Wesley Parish:

  I was wondering as well, are there any VAX assembler manuals online, in an 
  easily-copyable form?

  I've encountered html ones, but that isn't quite what I mean.

What do you mean, then?  In what way isn't HTML suitable?
I don't mean to be obstreperous; I just think it would be
easier to help if you made it clearer what you need and
what you don't.

To split hairs further, what do you mean by `VAX assembler
manual'?  There's a paper named Assember Reference Manual
that came in Berkeley's Volume 2C for 3BSD, written by
Reiser (Bell Labs) and Henry (Berkeley); it is a compact
description of syntax and pseudo-ops, but doesn't list or
explain the VAX instruction set itself.

The best reference I know for the VAX instruction set is
the official DEC manual called VAX Architecture Reference
Manual (EK-VAXAR-RM), but at more than 500 pages it is not
easily-copyable even in the way we thought of copying when
it was published, i.e. that depicted on the cover of the
latter-day Lions book.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON

[TUHS] UNIX/32V

[Wesley Parish]

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:20, Norman Wilson wrote:
> Wesley Parish:
>
>   I was wondering as well, are there any VAX assembler manuals online, in
> an easily-copyable form?
>
>   I've encountered html ones, but that isn't quite what I mean.
>
> What do you mean, then?  In what way isn't HTML suitable?
> I don't mean to be obstreperous; I just think it would be
> easier to help if you made it clearer what you need and
> what you don't.

I'm a bit more used to using PDF for that purpose, since PDF data resides in a 
single file - ergo, easier downloads.

>
> To split hairs further, what do you mean by `VAX assembler
> manual'?  There's a paper named Assember Reference Manual
> that came in Berkeley's Volume 2C for 3BSD, written by
> Reiser (Bell Labs) and Henry (Berkeley); it is a compact
> description of syntax and pseudo-ops, but doesn't list or
> explain the VAX instruction set itself.

That would get me part of the way.

>
> The best reference I know for the VAX instruction set is
> the official DEC manual called VAX Architecture Reference
> Manual (EK-VAXAR-RM), but at more than 500 pages it is not
> easily-copyable even in the way we thought of copying when
> it was published, i.e. that depicted on the cover of the
> latter-day Lions book.

Does anyone have a pdf of it?  Or know where I could get a copy?

I know, I'll start googling for it right away.

Wesley Parish

>
> Norman Wilson
> Toronto ON
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Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?"
You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata."
I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

[TUHS] UNIX/32V

[Carl Lowenstein]

> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:35:32 +1300
> From: Wesley Parish <wes.parish at paradise.net.nz>
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX/32V
> To: tuhs at tuhs.org
> 
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:20, Norman Wilson wrote:
> > Wesley Parish:
> >
> >   I was wondering as well, are there any VAX assembler manuals online, in
> > an easily-copyable form?
> >
> >   I've encountered html ones, but that isn't quite what I mean.
> >
> > What do you mean, then?  In what way isn't HTML suitable?
> > I don't mean to be obstreperous; I just think it would be
> > easier to help if you made it clearer what you need and
> > what you don't.
> 
> I'm a bit more used to using PDF for that purpose, since PDF data
> resides in a single file - ergo, easier downloads.

Download all the html.  (use wget)
Make a list of the files in the order that they should appear in
the PDF file.

Use htmldoc < www.easysw.com/htmldoc/ > to make PDF or PostScript.

Htmldoc is interesting software -- it works well and is available in
source form with the caveat "here it is, take it and don't bother us
unless you want to buy a support contract".

    carl