From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: kstailey@yahoo.com (Kenneth Stailey) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:47:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TUHS] is learn(1) free now? In-Reply-To: <0401021816.AA09263@ivan.Harhan.ORG> Message-ID: <20040102194756.9245.qmail@web60510.mail.yahoo.com> --- Michael Sokolov wrote: > Kenneth Stailey wrote: > > > When I purchased my copy of _The CSRG Archives_ CDROM set I was > > told in E-mail by McKusick that I did not need> > to sign any > > license agreements. I am assuming that this is due to Caldera > > proclaiming that V32 sources and binaries could be redistributed > > by the public legally. > > Yes, this is correct, this is the same reason why Warren was able to > remove the password system from his UNIX Archive and make it > completely open. Warren, I see that there is a 4.4BSD-Alpha subdir in the TUHS archive. Do you want a final CSRG 4.4BSD tape to add there too? > > I also have yet to get the vi lesson data which the source code > > that I do have says came on a separate user-contributed tape. > > I just looked and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus has the vi lesson data as part of the > standard system. Thanks, I have to go through your archive for it now. > > I got here because I have newbies in my life now and I need UNIX > > online courseware. > > Hear hear. I sometimes get into this situation too, usually when > dating and getting faced with the need to teach a prospective female > how to use a real operating system, since the one woman who finally > makes it would absolutely have to use 4.3BSD-Quasijarus on my VAXen. Oh, I was talking about co-workers. There's been so many layoffs where I work that I was hoping to get some more help. > I looked into learn, but one thing it disappointed me with is that > it's woefully outdated. It starts by setting the tty erase and kill > chars to '#' and '@' respectively and teaching you how to edit the > command line on a hardcopy tty. Well, OK, some would see this as > good educational value, but the problem is, if you don't actually > *have* a hardcopy tty, and most of us don't, it doesn't work too > well. It prints out lessons longer than 24 lines and they scroll > off the top of the VT terminal. It was definitely written with the > assumption that one has a hardcopy tty with a long roll of > continuous paper, and it expects the student to grab the paper > coming out of the teletype and look at what's been printed, but it > just doesn't work on a VT terminal. Not to mention that in the end > the lessons give the student little practical learning that would > actually be useful when using UNIX on a CRT terminal. (For example, > it would be very practical to explain to the student the difference > between ^H and ^? and teach him/her how to deal with it.) It's so difficult being you. I was able to save myself the time by using the 4.4BSD version of learn(1) since it has already been modified for CRT terminals. You will have to re-invent the wheel because of your politics. > > I'm wondering about distributing the results of my porting effort > > once it matures enough to be worth doing so. > > > Well, as a I said 4.3BSD-Quasijarus contains learn and all other > "encumbered code" and it is freely available via anonymous FTP from > ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG, so... BTW for those who missed it I released > 4.3-QJ0b on 2003-12-07. Thanks again. I really do appreciate all the work you have done in this area. > MS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree