* [pups] Can't get a second DZQ11 to configure?!
@ 2005-10-31 16:33 Robert Armstrong
2005-10-31 18:13 ` David Evans
` (2 more replies)
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From: Robert Armstrong @ 2005-10-31 16:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi Guys,
I've got a 11/73 with 2.11BSD. The hardware configuration is pretty
typical - RQDX3, DEQNA, TK50, and one DZQ11. Everything runs fine, but now
I need to install a second DZQ. The first DZQ has csr 160100 and vector
300, so according to my calculations the second should be at 160110 and
vector 310. I set the switches, install the card, and then edit my system
configuration to change NDZ to be 2, rebuild the kernel, reboot, and, ....
Disappointment!
When it gets up to init, it says:
init: configure system
dz 0 csr 160100 vector 300 attached
ra 0 .... 172150 .... 154
tms 0 .... 174500 ... 260
... etc ...
nothing about the second DZQ. Everything else still works, including the
original DZQ11, and it boots up just fine except that there's no sign of the
second DZQ11.
I figured I made a mistake building the kernel, so I double check my
kernel configuration and yes, the file dz.h contains "#define NDZ 2". Just
to be safe I delete all the objects from my machine's configuration
directory and rebuild the entire kernel from sources (takes a couple of
hours on a 11/73!). Still no joy - init only finds one DZ... And I'm sure
I'm booting the new kernel because of the timestamp it prints out when you
boot it.
At this point I figured it's a hardware problem. Just to be sure, I
pulled out both DZQs and swapped the switch settings on the two cards. This
makes the original DZQ card now the "second" one at 160110/310 and the new
card the "first" DZQ at 160100/300. Put it all back together and boot it up
again - same results! Init finds the first DZ but not the second!
Moreover, all the serial ports on the back that are now connected to dz0
(which is the card that used to be the second dz) still work! Of course,
the ports on dz 1 (which is the card that used to work) are now dead. It
seems like the two DZQ11 cards must be OK.
Oh, and BTW, I even used the 11/73's console ODT to verify that all
addresses from 17760100 to 17760117 respond.
The only explanation I'm left with is a configuration problem. Is there
something I don't know about rebuilding the 2.11bsd kernel? Is 160110/310
the wrong location for the second DZQ11?
Thanks much, any suggestions are appreciated.
Bob Armstrong
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* [pups] Can't get a second DZQ11 to configure?!
2005-10-31 16:33 [pups] Can't get a second DZQ11 to configure?! Robert Armstrong
@ 2005-10-31 18:13 ` David Evans
2005-10-31 19:00 ` Robin Birch
2005-10-31 19:23 ` Johnny Billquist
2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: David Evans @ 2005-10-31 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:33:37AM -0800, Robert Armstrong wrote:
> I set the switches, install the card, and then edit my system
> configuration to change NDZ to be 2, rebuild the kernel, reboot, and, ....
> Disappointment!
>
I can't remember but does this require fiddling /etc/devtab or whatever
it's called?
--
David Evans
Faculty of Computer Science dfevans at bbcr.uwaterloo.ca
Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/
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* [pups] Can't get a second DZQ11 to configure?!
2005-10-31 16:33 [pups] Can't get a second DZQ11 to configure?! Robert Armstrong
2005-10-31 18:13 ` David Evans
@ 2005-10-31 19:00 ` Robin Birch
2005-10-31 19:32 ` Robert Armstrong
2005-10-31 19:23 ` Johnny Billquist
2 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Robin Birch @ 2005-10-31 19:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
If it is what I think it is then you will need to add the device to
/etc/devtab (I think that's the file). 2.11 doesn't just detect what's
there. The kernel build puts the drivers in place but it's devtab that
switches them on.
Cheers
Robin
In message <002601c5de38$dbe5ea20$0401a8c0 at jfcl.com>, Robert Armstrong
<bob at jfcl.com> writes
>Hi Guys,
>
> I've got a 11/73 with 2.11BSD. The hardware configuration is pretty
>typical - RQDX3, DEQNA, TK50, and one DZQ11. Everything runs fine, but now
>I need to install a second DZQ. The first DZQ has csr 160100 and vector
>300, so according to my calculations the second should be at 160110 and
>vector 310. I set the switches, install the card, and then edit my system
>configuration to change NDZ to be 2, rebuild the kernel, reboot, and, ....
>Disappointment!
>
> When it gets up to init, it says:
>
> init: configure system
> dz 0 csr 160100 vector 300 attached
> ra 0 .... 172150 .... 154
> tms 0 .... 174500 ... 260
> ... etc ...
>
>nothing about the second DZQ. Everything else still works, including the
>original DZQ11, and it boots up just fine except that there's no sign of the
>second DZQ11.
>
> I figured I made a mistake building the kernel, so I double check my
>kernel configuration and yes, the file dz.h contains "#define NDZ 2". Just
>to be safe I delete all the objects from my machine's configuration
>directory and rebuild the entire kernel from sources (takes a couple of
>hours on a 11/73!). Still no joy - init only finds one DZ... And I'm sure
>I'm booting the new kernel because of the timestamp it prints out when you
>boot it.
>
> At this point I figured it's a hardware problem. Just to be sure, I
>pulled out both DZQs and swapped the switch settings on the two cards. This
>makes the original DZQ card now the "second" one at 160110/310 and the new
>card the "first" DZQ at 160100/300. Put it all back together and boot it up
>again - same results! Init finds the first DZ but not the second!
>Moreover, all the serial ports on the back that are now connected to dz0
>(which is the card that used to be the second dz) still work! Of course,
>the ports on dz 1 (which is the card that used to work) are now dead. It
>seems like the two DZQ11 cards must be OK.
>
> Oh, and BTW, I even used the 11/73's console ODT to verify that all
>addresses from 17760100 to 17760117 respond.
>
> The only explanation I'm left with is a configuration problem. Is there
>something I don't know about rebuilding the 2.11bsd kernel? Is 160110/310
>the wrong location for the second DZQ11?
>
> Thanks much, any suggestions are appreciated.
>
>Bob Armstrong
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>PUPS mailing list
>PUPS at minnie.tuhs.org
>http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups
>
--
Robin Birch
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* [pups] Can't get a second DZQ11 to configure?!
2005-10-31 16:33 [pups] Can't get a second DZQ11 to configure?! Robert Armstrong
2005-10-31 18:13 ` David Evans
2005-10-31 19:00 ` Robin Birch
@ 2005-10-31 19:23 ` Johnny Billquist
2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Johnny Billquist @ 2005-10-31 19:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Hmm. As far as I know, BSD don't do automatic detection, so you have to
tell the CSR of all devices. Have you told the config where to find the
second DZA?
Johnny
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've got a 11/73 with 2.11BSD. The hardware configuration is pretty
> typical - RQDX3, DEQNA, TK50, and one DZQ11. Everything runs fine, but now
> I need to install a second DZQ. The first DZQ has csr 160100 and vector
> 300, so according to my calculations the second should be at 160110 and
> vector 310. I set the switches, install the card, and then edit my system
> configuration to change NDZ to be 2, rebuild the kernel, reboot, and, ....
> Disappointment!
>
> When it gets up to init, it says:
>
> init: configure system
> dz 0 csr 160100 vector 300 attached
> ra 0 .... 172150 .... 154
> tms 0 .... 174500 ... 260
> ... etc ...
>
> nothing about the second DZQ. Everything else still works, including the
> original DZQ11, and it boots up just fine except that there's no sign of the
> second DZQ11.
>
> I figured I made a mistake building the kernel, so I double check my
> kernel configuration and yes, the file dz.h contains "#define NDZ 2". Just
> to be safe I delete all the objects from my machine's configuration
> directory and rebuild the entire kernel from sources (takes a couple of
> hours on a 11/73!). Still no joy - init only finds one DZ... And I'm sure
> I'm booting the new kernel because of the timestamp it prints out when you
> boot it.
>
> At this point I figured it's a hardware problem. Just to be sure, I
> pulled out both DZQs and swapped the switch settings on the two cards. This
> makes the original DZQ card now the "second" one at 160110/310 and the new
> card the "first" DZQ at 160100/300. Put it all back together and boot it up
> again - same results! Init finds the first DZ but not the second!
> Moreover, all the serial ports on the back that are now connected to dz0
> (which is the card that used to be the second dz) still work! Of course,
> the ports on dz 1 (which is the card that used to work) are now dead. It
> seems like the two DZQ11 cards must be OK.
>
> Oh, and BTW, I even used the 11/73's console ODT to verify that all
> addresses from 17760100 to 17760117 respond.
>
> The only explanation I'm left with is a configuration problem. Is there
> something I don't know about rebuilding the 2.11bsd kernel? Is 160110/310
> the wrong location for the second DZQ11?
>
> Thanks much, any suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Bob Armstrong
>
>
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* [pups] Can't get a second DZQ11 to configure?!
2005-10-31 19:00 ` Robin Birch
@ 2005-10-31 19:32 ` Robert Armstrong
2005-10-31 23:31 ` Robin Birch
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Robert Armstrong @ 2005-10-31 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
/etc/dtab ... Yes, that does fix the problem!
Thanks very, very much ...
Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin Birch [mailto:robinb at ruffnready.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:01 AM
> To: bob at jfcl.com
> Cc: pups at minnie.tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [pups] Can't get a second DZQ11 to configure?!
>
>
> If it is what I think it is then you will need to add the device to
> /etc/devtab (I think that's the file). 2.11 doesn't just
> detect what's
> there. The kernel build puts the drivers in place but it's
> devtab that
> switches them on.
>
> Cheers
>
> Robin
>
> In message <002601c5de38$dbe5ea20$0401a8c0 at jfcl.com>, Robert
> Armstrong
> <bob at jfcl.com> writes
> >Hi Guys,
> >
> > I've got a 11/73 with 2.11BSD. The hardware configuration
> is pretty
> >typical - RQDX3, DEQNA, TK50, and one DZQ11. Everything
> runs fine, but
> >now I need to install a second DZQ. The first DZQ has csr
> 160100 and
> >vector 300, so according to my calculations the second should be at
> >160110 and vector 310. I set the switches, install the
> card, and then
> >edit my system configuration to change NDZ to be 2, rebuild
> the kernel,
> >reboot, and, .... Disappointment!
> >
> > When it gets up to init, it says:
> >
> > init: configure system
> > dz 0 csr 160100 vector 300 attached
> > ra 0 .... 172150 .... 154
> > tms 0 .... 174500 ... 260
> > ... etc ...
> >
> >nothing about the second DZQ. Everything else still works,
> including
> >the original DZQ11, and it boots up just fine except that there's no
> >sign of the second DZQ11.
> >
> > I figured I made a mistake building the kernel, so I
> double check my
> >kernel configuration and yes, the file dz.h contains
> "#define NDZ 2".
> >Just to be safe I delete all the objects from my machine's
> >configuration directory and rebuild the entire kernel from sources
> >(takes a couple of hours on a 11/73!). Still no joy - init
> only finds
> >one DZ... And I'm sure I'm booting the new kernel because of the
> >timestamp it prints out when you boot it.
> >
> > At this point I figured it's a hardware problem. Just to
> be sure, I
> >pulled out both DZQs and swapped the switch settings on the
> two cards.
> >This makes the original DZQ card now the "second" one at
> 160110/310 and
> >the new card the "first" DZQ at 160100/300. Put it all back
> together
> >and boot it up again - same results! Init finds the first
> DZ but not
> >the second! Moreover, all the serial ports on the back that are now
> >connected to dz0 (which is the card that used to be the second dz)
> >still work! Of course, the ports on dz 1 (which is the card
> that used
> >to work) are now dead. It seems like the two DZQ11 cards must be OK.
> >
> > Oh, and BTW, I even used the 11/73's console ODT to verify
> that all
> >addresses from 17760100 to 17760117 respond.
> >
> > The only explanation I'm left with is a configuration problem. Is
> >there something I don't know about rebuilding the 2.11bsd
> kernel? Is
> >160110/310 the wrong location for the second DZQ11?
> >
> > Thanks much, any suggestions are appreciated.
> >
> >Bob Armstrong
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >PUPS mailing list
> >PUPS at minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups
> >
>
> --
> Robin Birch
>
>
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* [pups] Can't get a second DZQ11 to configure?!
2005-10-31 19:32 ` Robert Armstrong
@ 2005-10-31 23:31 ` Robin Birch
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Robin Birch @ 2005-10-31 23:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
In message <005801c5de51$c51a7590$0401a8c0 at jfcl.com>, Robert Armstrong
<bob at jfcl.com> writes
>
> /etc/dtab ... Yes, that does fix the problem!
>
That's the name - thought devtab wasn't right.
Glad it works now
Robin
> Thanks very, very much ...
>
>Bob
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robin Birch [mailto:robinb at ruffnready.co.uk]
>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:01 AM
>> To: bob at jfcl.com
>> Cc: pups at minnie.tuhs.org
>> Subject: Re: [pups] Can't get a second DZQ11 to configure?!
>>
>>
>> If it is what I think it is then you will need to add the device to
>> /etc/devtab (I think that's the file). 2.11 doesn't just
>> detect what's
>> there. The kernel build puts the drivers in place but it's
>> devtab that
>> switches them on.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> In message <002601c5de38$dbe5ea20$0401a8c0 at jfcl.com>, Robert
>> Armstrong
>> <bob at jfcl.com> writes
>> >Hi Guys,
>> >
>> > I've got a 11/73 with 2.11BSD. The hardware configuration
>> is pretty
>> >typical - RQDX3, DEQNA, TK50, and one DZQ11. Everything
>> runs fine, but
>> >now I need to install a second DZQ. The first DZQ has csr
>> 160100 and
>> >vector 300, so according to my calculations the second should be at
>> >160110 and vector 310. I set the switches, install the
>> card, and then
>> >edit my system configuration to change NDZ to be 2, rebuild
>> the kernel,
>> >reboot, and, .... Disappointment!
>> >
>> > When it gets up to init, it says:
>> >
>> > init: configure system
>> > dz 0 csr 160100 vector 300 attached
>> > ra 0 .... 172150 .... 154
>> > tms 0 .... 174500 ... 260
>> > ... etc ...
>> >
>> >nothing about the second DZQ. Everything else still works,
>> including
>> >the original DZQ11, and it boots up just fine except that there's no
>> >sign of the second DZQ11.
>> >
>> > I figured I made a mistake building the kernel, so I
>> double check my
>> >kernel configuration and yes, the file dz.h contains
>> "#define NDZ 2".
>> >Just to be safe I delete all the objects from my machine's
>> >configuration directory and rebuild the entire kernel from sources
>> >(takes a couple of hours on a 11/73!). Still no joy - init
>> only finds
>> >one DZ... And I'm sure I'm booting the new kernel because of the
>> >timestamp it prints out when you boot it.
>> >
>> > At this point I figured it's a hardware problem. Just to
>> be sure, I
>> >pulled out both DZQs and swapped the switch settings on the
>> two cards.
>> >This makes the original DZQ card now the "second" one at
>> 160110/310 and
>> >the new card the "first" DZQ at 160100/300. Put it all back
>> together
>> >and boot it up again - same results! Init finds the first
>> DZ but not
>> >the second! Moreover, all the serial ports on the back that are now
>> >connected to dz0 (which is the card that used to be the second dz)
>> >still work! Of course, the ports on dz 1 (which is the card
>> that used
>> >to work) are now dead. It seems like the two DZQ11 cards must be OK.
>> >
>> > Oh, and BTW, I even used the 11/73's console ODT to verify
>> that all
>> >addresses from 17760100 to 17760117 respond.
>> >
>> > The only explanation I'm left with is a configuration problem. Is
>> >there something I don't know about rebuilding the 2.11bsd
>> kernel? Is
>> >160110/310 the wrong location for the second DZQ11?
>> >
>> > Thanks much, any suggestions are appreciated.
>> >
>> >Bob Armstrong
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >PUPS mailing list
>> >PUPS at minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Robin Birch
>>
>>
>
>
>
--
Robin Birch
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