From: cowan@ccil.org (John Cowan)
Subject: [TUHS] Bell Labs Holmdel site coming down
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:13:29 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060517231329.GF13940@ccil.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ABD5F0691C83424997EBEBF369ED9D92062AF8F4@PHXEXHVRT01.americas.ad.pegs.com>
Stuart, Jon scripsit:
> Perhaps an OSF1-"lite", on par with 4.4BSD-Lite which had the
> copyrighted code removed, would be possible to get released.
That was only possible because of the massive effort to rewrite all things
AT&T out of the BSD source.
> All of this, the closing of UNX, the loss of the VAX and now the dying
> of the Alpha chip, is very disheartening. Although I'm lucky enough to
> have access to 5 VAXen (running 4.3 BSD UNIX and one running Ultrix4),
> it's tough for anyone to learn and play with this stuff, because they
> are becoming so scarce (you can by a VaxStation/MicroVax on eBay, but
> these will only run Ultrix and not 4.3 BSD, unfortunately).
On come the emulators.
> I guess I'm somewhat nostoglic about old UNIX, and I enjoy seeing it's
> evolution. That's why whenever I'm able to view the source code of some
> closed-source UNIX, it's very enjoyable to me. Old UNIX has a rustic
> appeal to me.
It's really "middle Unix" you are talking about. Old Unix and new Unix
(and I don't agree that Linux/*BSD are not Unix) are both now open source.
> It's unfortunate that it seems we must resign ourselves to a future of
> x86-based OSs, such as Linux, or even Open/Free/NetBSD, which aren't
> really UNIX (Linux definitely isn't, and the modern BSDs have changed
> enough that they also aren't IMO).
Unix is a local minimum in the design space. It can be reimplemented
over and over.
--
John Cowan cowan at ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan
If he has seen farther than others,
it is because he is standing on a stack of dwarves.
--Mike Champion, describing Tim Berners-Lee (adapted)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-05-17 23:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-05-17 22:30 Stuart, Jon
2006-05-17 23:13 ` John Cowan [this message]
2006-05-18 1:42 ` Wesley Parish
2006-05-18 8:36 ` Tim Bradshaw
2006-05-19 8:16 ` Wesley Parish
2006-05-19 20:41 ` Tim Bradshaw
2006-05-18 8:50 ` Peter Jeremy
2006-05-18 9:42 ` Wilko Bulte
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-05-18 14:34 Michael Sokolov
2006-05-18 2:48 Norman Wilson
2006-05-17 22:40 Michael Sokolov
2006-05-17 21:39 patv
2006-05-17 23:27 ` Lyrical Nanoha
2006-05-17 19:56 patv
2006-05-17 20:48 ` Lyrical Nanoha
2006-05-17 15:29 tuhs
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