From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: pepe@naleco.com (Pepe) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:30:02 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] IANAL. Kimball has ruled In-Reply-To: <20080717202215.GE7790@eng.sun.com> References: <20080717195513.GA20242@d600.naleco.com> <20080717202215.GE7790@eng.sun.com> Message-ID: <20080717223001.GA28983@d600.naleco.com> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 01:22:15PM -0700, Bryan Cantrill wrote: > > > Sun needed desperately to find a way to stop losing money, and that > > meant making themselves again desirable to the IT market. Sun mayor [sic] > > rivals were (and are) Microsoft and Linux. Specially Linux, since more > > Sun machines are being replaced by Linux than by Windows. So the Sun > > strategy was two-fold: release an "opensource" Unix to "steal" the > > grassroots support away from Linux, and give money to The SCO Group > > so they could keep afloat their FUD campaign against Linux in the > > Enterprise. If they could achieve these two goals with one swift move, > > much better; and they did: the gave money to The SCO Group to buy a > > bogus license to opensource Solaris. > > Can we keep this kind of invective to a minimum? As it happens, you're > wrong in this particular case, but more generally it would be nice if > we could try to stick to the history of Unix as code, and not Unix as > endless trench warfare... The history is made by people and their actions, people are not isolated beings but they are social. Therefore, history is always about politics. The code of Unix did evolve because of the politics they creators/vendors were engaged with (I'm talking about political economy). The actions which created and evolved Unix had political goals, sometimes for academic gain, sometimes for commercial gain. I don't think Unix as a phenomenon can be understood without understanding it's politics. You happen to have a different view on the political angle of Unix. That's fine. You also don't hold a totally impartial stance on Unix politics, as you are affiliated to one of the Unix parties. But I don't think it is fair to try to suppress the political views one doesn't like, or to try to suppress the political expression of history altogether.. It is as much "historical Unix" the political history of Unix, as it is the code history of it. -- Pepe pepe at naleco.com