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From: cowan@mercury.ccil.org (John Cowan)
Subject: [TUHS] History of #! interpretation in Unix
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:37:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110116213738.GG3374@mercury.ccil.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110116210812.GB26424@lisa.in-ulm.de>

Sven Mascheck scripsit:

> who (or what system) do you mean was the 2nd?

That was hypothetical.

Trying again:  "It's unlikely that two different people chose #! as the
executable-script mark independently."

> With /bin/sh you actually meant any shell calling "itself"?
> Otherwise I'm afraid, I have some difficulties following you.

I mean that whereas (t)csh uses /bin/sh to run scripts with no
shebangs, the Posix-compatible shells execute scripts with no
shebangs directly.  And this is Bad.

> > IMHO the Posix sh definition should be extended so that all
> > shells claiming Posix-compliance should do shebangs.
> 
> Shells themselves should implement it, not the kernel?

It might be too much to ask the kernel to do, especially on
non-traditional Posix systems like z/OS.

> There was a working group resolution to standardize #!, which didn't
> make it, http://www.opengroup.org/platform/resolutions/bwg2000-004.html
> you could chime in

I see the problem now: a portable awk script, for example, can't assume
that the Posix awk is in /usr/bin/awk, so "#!/usr/bin/awk" might get the
wrong awk.  So the feature is not worth standardizing for Posix.

-- 
[W]hen I wrote it I was more than a little              John Cowan
febrile with foodpoisoning from an antique carrot       cowan at ccil.org
that I foolishly ate out of an illjudged faith          http://ccil.org/~cowan
in the benignancy of vegetables.  --And Rosta



  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-16 21:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-16  8:43 Warren Toomey
2011-01-16  9:55 ` John Cowan
2011-01-16 13:20   ` Sven Mascheck
2011-01-16 17:17     ` John Cowan
2011-01-16 19:19       ` Sven Mascheck
2011-01-16 20:17         ` John Cowan
2011-01-16 20:42           ` Larry McVoy
2011-01-16 21:08           ` Sven Mascheck
2011-01-16 21:37             ` John Cowan [this message]
2011-01-17 16:35               ` Warner Losh
2011-01-17 20:47                 ` John Cowan
2011-01-17 10:09           ` Tim Bradshaw
2011-01-16 10:53 ` Wilko Bulte
2011-01-17 16:25   ` Warner Losh
2011-01-17 19:02 ` Jeremy C. Reed
2011-01-17 20:51   ` John Cowan
2011-01-17 22:41     ` Jeremy C. Reed
2011-01-17 20:58   ` Sven Mascheck
2011-01-19  4:10   ` Cyrille Lefevre
2011-01-19 20:35     ` Sven Mascheck
2011-01-20  4:09       ` Cyrille Lefevre
2011-01-28 19:38   ` Jeremy C. Reed
2011-01-30 15:05     ` Sven Mascheck

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