From: lm@bitmover.com (Larry McVoy)
Subject: [TUHS] SVR4 x86 -- Sources
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:26:57 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110712232657.GB31526@bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1310483478.7906.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
"Joint project". Hmm, I was at Sun at the time, John Pope was across
the hall from me, he did the SVR4 port to Sun/SPARC.
To call this joint is complete nonsense. Sun was in a cash bind, AT&T
wanted to make SVR4 the main Unix platform and SunOS was winning. The
story I heard, not widely known, is that AT&T bought a big pile of Sun
stock at 35% over market - in return for which Sun had to dump their BSD
based SunOS and go to SVR4.
Biggest mistake Sun ever made in my opinion.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 05:11:15PM +0200, Michele Ghisolfo wrote:
> > Contrary to a lot of the distant opinions here,
> > SVr4 was actually a joint project between USL
> > (the AT&T commercial-UNIX organization) and Sun.
> > The intent was to bring together the two different
> > commercial-UNIX cults (what Stu Feldman once referred
> > to as Sunni and Shiite UNIX).
> >
> > I was at Bell Labs while this was going on, but
> > well off to the side of the effort, in a research
> > group where we tended (foolishly) to look down
> > our noses a bit at the whole thing. I do know that
> > there were a lot of ruffled feathers within USL
> > about the allegedly overbearing Sun guys, and it
> > wouldn't surprise me a bit to hear that there
> > were similar feelings going the other way. On
> > the other hand there were some pretty smart
> > people involved at a technical level on all
> > sides.
> >
> > Certainly it wasn't a one-way street, with BSD-isms
> > being injected into a USG system or vice versa.
> >
> > Norman Wilson
> > Toronto ON
>
> Thanks, Norman. This clarify a lot my confusion about SysV.
>
> I'm reading the J. Lions Commentary to V6 UNIX, the ancestor of all
> UNIXes, including SysV (if I understood correctly). The last Research
> Unix release was Tenth Edition Unix. Is the source code of
> releases 8, 9 and 10 available? Are there other commentaries of ancient
> Research Unixes, like Lions book?
>
>
> Thanks,
> --Michele
>
> P.S. to Cyrille: Again, my apologies for the confusion. I realized my
> mistake just after I sent the mail. I'm really sorry!
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-07-12 23:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-07-12 15:11 Michele Ghisolfo
2011-07-12 23:26 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2011-07-13 0:23 ` Jason Stevens
2011-07-13 13:25 ` Arno Griffioen
2011-07-13 2:48 ` John Cowan
2011-07-13 3:07 ` Larry McVoy
2011-07-14 17:37 ` Al Kossow
2011-07-15 4:30 ` Warren Toomey
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2011-07-12 13:24 Norman Wilson
[not found] <1310385759.2145.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2011-07-11 14:09 ` Sergio Aguayo
2011-07-11 10:29 Michele Ghisolfo
2011-07-11 12:42 ` Michael Kerpan
2011-07-11 12:53 ` Jim Capp
2011-07-14 17:42 ` Al Kossow
2011-07-14 17:46 ` Jason Stevens
2011-07-15 4:10 ` Random832
2011-07-15 4:22 ` John Cowan
2011-07-12 7:54 ` Wesley Parish
2011-07-12 9:53 ` Nick Downing
2011-07-19 23:17 ` Doug McIntyre
2011-07-20 0:42 ` Larry McVoy
2011-07-20 3:16 ` John Cowan
2011-07-20 4:04 ` Warner Losh
2011-07-12 9:57 ` Nick Downing
2011-07-12 11:22 ` Tim Bradshaw
2011-07-12 11:54 ` Nick Downing
2011-07-11 12:50 ` Sergio Aguayo
[not found] ` <4E1B6A45.40607@laposte.net>
2011-07-11 19:50 ` Michele Ghisolfo
2011-07-11 21:56 ` Jason Stevens
2011-07-11 20:08 ` Michele Ghisolfo
2011-07-11 22:56 ` Warren Toomey
2011-07-12 13:04 ` Milo Velimirović
2011-07-12 13:07 ` Jason Stevens
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