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From: peter@rulingia.com (Peter Jeremy)
Subject: [TUHS] Need a new PDP-11 or VAX?
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:45:29 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130428074529.GG23673@server.rulingia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130427224146.GR664@bitmover.com>

On 2013-Apr-27 15:41:46 -0700, Larry McVoy <lm at bitmover.com> wrote:
>What I'd like is a new 64 bit PDP-11.

That might be fun to program in assembler but I suspect the
performance would suck.  The ISA complexity implies a microcoded
implementation (with all the associated overheads).  And compilers
generally have difficulty taking advantage of complex ISAs.

>  That assembler was wonderful to
>read and write, only a short distance from C.

Agreed.

>  x86 makes me puke.

Likewise.  Warts upon warts...  It's an abomination.

>  MIPS
>and Alpha aren't much better (I was hoping for better from Alpha but they
>seemed like they copied MIPS).

I disagree on the Alpha.  Apart from the idiotic decision to combine
imprecise exceptions with needing software support for IEEE FP, I
thought it was a very clean and well designed architecture.  It wasn't
fun to program in directly but it was intended for use with compiled
languages.  The designers went to a fair amount of effort to avoid
embedding bottlenecks in the language.

For anyone who's into really CISC architectures, check out the iAPX432.

-- 
Peter Jeremy
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-28  7:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-27 21:26 Dave Horsfall
2013-04-27 22:41 ` Larry McVoy
2013-04-27 23:53   ` Dave Horsfall
2013-04-28  0:12   ` Ronald Natalie
2013-04-28  1:39   ` John Cowan
2013-04-28  3:38     ` Nick Downing
2013-04-28  3:48       ` Larry McVoy
2013-04-28  3:57     ` Larry McVoy
2013-04-28  5:57       ` John Cowan
2013-04-28  5:34   ` [TUHS] curmudgeon credit Aharon Robbins
2013-04-28  7:08     ` Nick Downing
2013-05-14  6:11       ` Aaron J. Grier
2013-05-14  6:52         ` emu
2013-05-14  7:51           ` David Evans
2013-04-28 16:28     ` Larry McVoy
2013-04-28  7:45   ` Peter Jeremy [this message]
2013-04-28 10:50     ` [TUHS] Need a new PDP-11 or VAX? Ronald Natalie
2013-04-28  0:15 ` Ronald Natalie
     [not found] <mailman.3.1367200802.17183.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2013-04-29 23:19 ` David Barto

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