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From: cowan@mercury.ccil.org (John Cowan)
Subject: [TUHS] History of chown semantics
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 13:16:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140113181635.GA12718@mercury.ccil.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKt831HJfRx1vznQ8xttdg-n=BQmCf7J+-4WetTMDzKesrUQ3g@mail.gmail.com>

SZIGETI Szabolcs scripsit:

> Well, with the same reasoning, we don't need passwords or protection
> bits on files, since I can always take a piece of steel pipe and beat
> the owner, until he gives out the data, so why bother?

More like beating my argument with a pipe than the owner.

> Blocking chown for general users is one level of several controls. 

Its specific purpose was to make per-user quotas practical, but since
per-user quotas are as dead as the dodo, it no longer serves any known
purpose.  Yes, it blocks a particularly crude substitute for MAC in the
now-unusual case of true timesharing as opposed to single-user clients
and single-purpose servers.  But really it is nothing but security by
ceremonial.  A better case could be made that it should require root
privilege to perform chmod, or at least any chmod that widens access.

-- 
You are a child of the universe no less         John Cowan
than the trees and all other acyclic            http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
graphs; you have a right to be here.            cowan at ccil.org
  --DeXiderata by Sean McGrath



  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-13 18:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-09 10:59 Tim Bradshaw
2014-01-09 12:46 ` Ronald Natalie
2014-01-09 14:56   ` Clem Cole
2014-01-09 15:17     ` Tim Bradshaw
2014-01-09 15:31       ` Clem Cole
2014-01-09 18:18     ` Dario Niedermann
2014-01-09 18:31       ` Ron Natalie
2014-01-09 18:48         ` Clem Cole
2014-01-09 19:48           ` Armando Stettner
2014-01-09 19:52             ` Clem Cole
2014-01-09 18:37       ` Tim Bradshaw
2014-01-09 18:55       ` Warner Losh
2014-01-10 16:20     ` Ed Carp
2014-01-09 17:01 ` Jeremy C. Reed
2014-01-09 18:40   ` Clem Cole
2014-01-09 19:13   ` John Cowan
2014-01-09 20:19     ` Tim Newsham
2014-01-09 20:43       ` Warner Losh
2014-01-10 10:09     ` Tim Bradshaw
2014-01-10 17:18       ` John Cowan
2014-01-12 21:19         ` Tim Bradshaw
2014-01-13  7:05           ` John Cowan
2014-01-13 10:37             ` Tim Bradshaw
2014-01-13 16:15               ` John Cowan
2014-01-13 16:53                 ` SZIGETI Szabolcs
2014-01-13 18:16                   ` John Cowan [this message]
2014-01-09 22:57 ` Cyrille Lefevre
2014-01-09 19:23 Brian S Walden
2014-01-09 19:51 ` Clem Cole
2014-01-09 21:29 Brian S Walden
2014-01-09 22:03 ` Clem Cole
2014-01-10  0:59   ` John Cowan
2014-01-10  4:28   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2014-01-10 10:15     ` Tim Bradshaw
2014-01-09 21:43 Doug McIlroy
2014-01-10  0:15 Brian S Walden
2014-01-10  1:01 ` Larry McVoy
2014-01-10 15:16   ` Clem Cole
2014-01-10 15:21     ` Larry McVoy
2014-01-10  1:41 Brian S Walden
2014-01-10 13:17 ` scj
2014-01-10 14:03   ` Ronald Natalie
2014-01-10 14:55 Brian S Walden
2014-01-10 17:05 ` Ron Natalie
2014-01-10 17:08 Brian S Walden
     [not found] <mailman.1.1389661202.22836.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2014-01-14 22:44 ` Pepe
2014-01-15  1:33   ` Warner Losh
2014-01-15  1:43   ` Larry McVoy
2014-01-15  2:13     ` John Cowan
2014-01-15  4:02       ` Chris Nehren
2014-01-15  4:39         ` Steve Nickolas
2014-01-16  8:56 Brian S Walden

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