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From: cowan@mercury.ccil.org (John Cowan)
Subject: [TUHS] Lisp is a family quarrel
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:28:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140802142816.GB15007@mercury.ccil.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <63E407A2-C677-4C73-A69F-02CDE5F68F36@tfeb.org>

Tim Bradshaw scripsit:

> And actually that's the only reason for needing a caps lock key really:
> for systems which *had* no lowercase, then you wouldn't need a caps
> lock key because you couldn't *type* lowercase!

As I said, it allows you to adjust to a mismatch: a keyboard that types
lower case by default, software that rejects lower case.

> (Lisp being more correctly thought of as a religion than a programming
> language).

	"Do you know the saying, Karhide is not a nation but a family
	quarrel?" I haven't, and suspect that Estraven made it up;
	it has his stamp.
		--Le Guin, _The Left Hand of Darkness_

Lisp, too, is a family quarrel.  Scheme is even more so than Common Lisp;
CL is a language, but Scheme is a family of languages, perhaps 80 of them.
The minimalist R5RS standard of 1998 was case-folding, like all standards
before it, but perhaps half of all implementations ignored this and were
case-sensitive.  In practice, case-folding implementations folded to lower
case, and where case was not folded, the standard identifiers were lower
case.  The latter position is a feature of the case-sensitive R6RS (2007)
and R7RS-small (2013) standards.  At present, case-sensitivity dominates
in the 40+ implementations that I use for test purposes by about two to one.

-- 
John Cowan          http://www.ccil.org/~cowan        cowan at ccil.org
After fixing the Y2K bug in an application:
        WELCOME TO <censored>
        DATE: MONDAK, JANUARK 1, 1900



  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-02 14:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-31 19:44 [TUHS] terminal - just for fun Tim Newsham
2014-07-31 22:59 ` Dave Horsfall
2014-08-02 13:30   ` random832
2014-08-01  9:00 ` Dario Niedermann
2014-08-01 15:13   ` Andy Kosela
2014-08-01 15:28     ` Milo Velimirović
2014-08-01 17:50       ` Mary Ann Horton
2014-08-01 17:59         ` Cory Smelosky
2014-08-01 19:59           ` Tim Newsham
2014-08-01 20:11         ` Dave Horsfall
2014-08-01 20:35           ` John Cowan
2014-08-02  1:49             ` Dave Horsfall
2014-08-02  3:27               ` Tim Bradshaw
2014-08-02  3:45                 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2014-08-02  9:24                   ` Tim Bradshaw
2014-08-02 14:28                     ` John Cowan [this message]
2014-08-03  6:47                   ` Dave Horsfall
2014-08-04 18:04                   ` scj
2014-08-04 18:18                     ` Tim Newsham
2014-08-04 18:29                       ` John Cowan
2014-08-04 19:10                         ` Tim Newsham
2014-08-04 19:13                           ` Milo Velimirović
2014-08-04 19:21                             ` Tim Newsham
2014-08-04 18:28                     ` John Cowan
2014-08-05 13:13                       ` arnold
2014-08-05 14:20                         ` John Cowan
2014-08-05 14:46                           ` arnold
2014-08-04 20:15                     ` Jaap Akkerhuis
2014-08-04 20:39                       ` Dave Horsfall
2014-08-02  4:28                 ` Dave Horsfall
2014-08-02  4:46                 ` Warner Losh
2014-08-02 13:22                 ` Nemo
2014-08-02  3:37               ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2014-08-02  5:45                 ` Dave Horsfall
2014-08-02  6:09                   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
     [not found]               ` <20140802061214.GC13625@mercury.ccil.org>
2014-08-02  6:17                 ` Dave Horsfall
2014-08-02 13:35                   ` Bill Pechter
2014-08-02 14:04                     ` Milo Velimirovic
2014-08-03  2:00                       ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2014-08-02 14:30                   ` John Cowan
2014-08-01 21:32           ` Dario Niedermann
2014-08-01 21:38             ` Warner Losh
2014-08-01 21:56               ` Dario Niedermann

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