From: lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy)
Subject: [TUHS] /proc - linux vs solaris
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:23:25 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140804222325.GK19745@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFCBnZvoZ2DFmvCAKExbV1ysxwjRGqQC7RXBObjA7tb+LYbZKw@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 05:24:39PM -0500, A. P. Garcia wrote:
> We in Solaris designed /proc as a tool for developers to build innovative
> solutions, not an end-user interface. The Linux community believes that
> 'cat /proc/self/maps' is the best user interface, while we believe that
> pmap(1) is right answer. The reason for this is that mdb(1), truss(1),
> dtrace(1M) and a host of other tools all make use of this same information.
> It would be a waste of time to take binary information in the kernel,
> convert it to text, and then have the userland components all write their
> own (error prone) parsing routines to convert this information back into a
> custom binary form. Plus, we can change the options and output format of
> pmap without breaking other applications that depend on the contents of
> /proc.
I come from SunOS background and have had more than a few /proc discussions
with Roger Faulkner (who I believed did the System V /proc at Bell Labs?).
I get the arguments above but I don't buy 'em. linux really got /proc
right in terms of usefulness. Digging binary blobs out of the kernel
and translating them sucks. I've done, I've written kmem drivers for
ps, I understand how it works. I far prefer the pure ascii model that
Linux has.
I also get that Linux turned /proc into /whatever/I/think/I/need/today
and that makes purists grit their teeth. None the less, if you give
me a choice I'll take the linux way. Want to see what files you have
open?
ls -l /proc/$$/fd
Etc. Really easy to poke around and figure stuff out as needed and no
rats nest of header files to decode the structures.
--lm
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-08-04 22:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-04 20:21 [TUHS] Unix taste (Re: terminal - just for fun) Norman Wilson
2014-08-04 22:24 ` A. P. Garcia
2014-08-04 22:23 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2014-08-04 23:11 ` [TUHS] /proc - linux vs solaris Larry McVoy
2014-08-05 1:26 ` A. P. Garcia
2014-08-05 11:55 ` A. P. Garcia
2014-08-05 12:06 ` Tim Bradshaw
2014-08-05 12:37 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2014-08-05 2:41 ` [TUHS] Unix taste (Re: terminal - just for fun) Andy Kosela
2014-08-05 3:32 ` Warner Losh
2014-08-05 9:48 ` [TUHS] procfs on FreeBSD (WAS: Re: Unix taste) Dario Niedermann
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