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From: wkt@tuhs.org (Warren Toomey)
Subject: [TUHS] Early non-Unix filesystems?
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 10:48:32 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160318004832.GA18245@minnie.tuhs.org> (raw)

It's a bit off-topic, but what were non-Unix filesystems like around 1969-1970?
The PDP-7 filesystem has i-nodes (file metadata) and filenames separate
from the i-nodes. This allows hard links and thus a non-tree structured
filesystem.

This has always struck me to be one of the most important features of
the Unix filesystem: names separated from the rest of the file metadata,
and arbitrary hard links so that there is no preferred filename.

Were these features in other contemporaneous filesystems?

As a side note, the PDP-7 kernel knows about the top-level directory ("dd")
but it is agnostic to the concept of "." and "..". What that means is
that you can build a filesystem with "." and ".." links and the kernel
will deal with them as per all other links. But you can also build a
filesystem without "." or ".." and the kernel doesn't care.

There's not enough evidence (source code, papers, anecdotes) to confirm
or deny the presence of "." in the PDP-7 code that Norman scanned for us.
".." does seem to exist as it is mentioned in one source file, ds.s.
It's an intruiging mystery.

Cheers, Warren


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Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-18  0:48 Warren Toomey [this message]
2016-03-18  2:49 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-03-18  3:59 ` John Cowan
2016-03-18  5:11   ` Warren Toomey
2016-03-18 17:45     ` John Cowan
2016-03-18  8:00 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-18  8:42   ` Peter Jeremy
2016-03-18 13:04     ` Clem Cole
2016-03-18 17:12       ` scj
2016-03-18 17:45         ` Random832
2016-03-18 18:02           ` scj
2016-03-21 14:11             ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-21 21:43               ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-03-21 22:57                 ` scj
2016-03-21 23:05                   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2016-03-22  0:27                   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-03-23 22:46                   ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-24  0:32                     ` Ron Natalie
2016-03-24  0:43                       ` Milo Velimirovic
2016-03-24  0:47                         ` Ron Natalie
2016-03-24  1:05                     ` Clem Cole
2016-03-23  1:28                 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-23  1:51                   ` Milo Velimirovic
2016-03-23  6:49                   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-03-23  7:02                     ` Peter Jeremy
2016-03-23  7:12                       ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-03-23 13:54                       ` Ron Natalie
2016-03-23 16:28                         ` John Cowan
2016-03-23  8:20                     ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-21 11:07           ` Tony Finch
2016-03-21 12:06             ` John Cowan
2016-03-22  0:13               ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-03-22  0:48                 ` John Cowan
2016-03-18 17:01 ` Pat Barron
2016-03-22  5:21   ` shawn wilson
2016-03-23  0:54     ` Clem Cole
2016-03-23  1:07       ` Clem Cole
     [not found] <mailman.1.1458266402.23080.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2016-03-18  2:13 ` Johnny Billquist
2016-03-18  2:36   ` Charles Anthony
2016-03-18  2:26 Noel Chiappa
2016-03-22  0:56 Doug McIlroy
2016-03-23  1:58 Doug McIlroy
     [not found] <mailman.1.1458784801.4499.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2016-03-24 10:17 ` Johnny Billquist
2016-03-24 11:35   ` Ron Natalie
2016-03-24 11:37     ` Johnny Billquist
2016-03-24 22:50   ` Peter Jeremy
2016-03-24 23:06     ` Johnny Billquist
     [not found]       ` <9CBDF635-2FC9-4855-8419-0413EC0336A7@centurytel.net>
2016-03-25  0:35         ` Johnny Billquist
2016-03-27  0:48       ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-24 19:13 Nemo
2016-03-24 19:54 ` Milo Velimirović
2016-03-26 21:05   ` Ronald Natalie
2016-03-26 21:34     ` Charles Anthony
2016-03-26 22:09       ` Ronald Natalie
2016-03-28 20:32       ` scj

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