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From: grog@lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey)
Subject: [TUHS] Early non-Unix filesystems?
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:13:37 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160322001337.GE86793@eureka.lemis.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160321120634.GK15457@mercury.ccil.org>

On Monday, 21 March 2016 at  8:06:34 -0400, John Cowan wrote:
> Tony Finch scripsit:
>
>> I was slightly startled by the coolness of the idea when I found out that
>> nvi uses Berkeley DB as its storage layer; its recno access method
>> makes a text file look like a random-access array of strings.
>
> Classical sequential files, however, were simply random-access files
> such that seeking to line n was just a matter of seeking to byte
> n * MAXCHARSLINE.  The last time I actually used such a thing was
> on an early Tandem system when I was implementing the Software
> Tools.

You're presumably not talking about a Tandem format here.  Were you
working with Denis Winn?

> Editable source used a different format, ...

Presumably you *are* talking about Tandem's format here.  I always
looked at it as an indication of how badly optimization attempts could
go wrong.  The format limited line length to something less than 256
bytes (exact length was content dependent).  The lines were split into
groups of up to 30 bytes, 15 bytes content and up to 15 bytes trailing
spaces.  And this was the reason: it was a piss-poor attempt at
efficient storage.  The only way to access it was with a special
library with procedures like EDITREAD and EDITWRITE.  I still have a
number of these files, and there's no easy way to convert them.

Greg
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  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-22  0:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-18  0:48 Warren Toomey
2016-03-18  2:49 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-03-18  3:59 ` John Cowan
2016-03-18  5:11   ` Warren Toomey
2016-03-18 17:45     ` John Cowan
2016-03-18  8:00 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-18  8:42   ` Peter Jeremy
2016-03-18 13:04     ` Clem Cole
2016-03-18 17:12       ` scj
2016-03-18 17:45         ` Random832
2016-03-18 18:02           ` scj
2016-03-21 14:11             ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-21 21:43               ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-03-21 22:57                 ` scj
2016-03-21 23:05                   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2016-03-22  0:27                   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-03-23 22:46                   ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-24  0:32                     ` Ron Natalie
2016-03-24  0:43                       ` Milo Velimirovic
2016-03-24  0:47                         ` Ron Natalie
2016-03-24  1:05                     ` Clem Cole
2016-03-23  1:28                 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-23  1:51                   ` Milo Velimirovic
2016-03-23  6:49                   ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-03-23  7:02                     ` Peter Jeremy
2016-03-23  7:12                       ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-03-23 13:54                       ` Ron Natalie
2016-03-23 16:28                         ` John Cowan
2016-03-23  8:20                     ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-21 11:07           ` Tony Finch
2016-03-21 12:06             ` John Cowan
2016-03-22  0:13               ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey [this message]
2016-03-22  0:48                 ` John Cowan
2016-03-18 17:01 ` Pat Barron
2016-03-22  5:21   ` shawn wilson
2016-03-23  0:54     ` Clem Cole
2016-03-23  1:07       ` Clem Cole
     [not found] <mailman.1.1458266402.23080.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2016-03-18  2:13 ` Johnny Billquist
2016-03-18  2:36   ` Charles Anthony
2016-03-18  2:26 Noel Chiappa
2016-03-22  0:56 Doug McIlroy
2016-03-23  1:58 Doug McIlroy
     [not found] <mailman.1.1458784801.4499.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2016-03-24 10:17 ` Johnny Billquist
2016-03-24 11:35   ` Ron Natalie
2016-03-24 11:37     ` Johnny Billquist
2016-03-24 22:50   ` Peter Jeremy
2016-03-24 23:06     ` Johnny Billquist
     [not found]       ` <9CBDF635-2FC9-4855-8419-0413EC0336A7@centurytel.net>
2016-03-25  0:35         ` Johnny Billquist
2016-03-27  0:48       ` Dave Horsfall
2016-03-24 19:13 Nemo
2016-03-24 19:54 ` Milo Velimirović
2016-03-26 21:05   ` Ronald Natalie
2016-03-26 21:34     ` Charles Anthony
2016-03-26 22:09       ` Ronald Natalie
2016-03-28 20:32       ` scj

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