* [TUHS] PDP-7 Unix: The B compiler works @ 2016-03-23 19:28 Warren Toomey 2016-03-23 22:02 ` Dario Niedermann ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Warren Toomey @ 2016-03-23 19:28 UTC (permalink / raw) We've got the B compiler working. Robert Swierczek gets all the credit. Cheers, Warren @ ls -l . 00004 drwr- 04 777 00050 dd 00003 drwr- 03 777 00340 system 00046 srwr- 01 014 00130 b_readme 00047 lrwr- 01 014 04065 bi.s 00050 lrwr- 01 014 02016 bl.s 00051 srwr- 01 014 00073 hello.b 00052 lrwr- 01 014 03450 ops.s 00045 drwr- 02 014 00110 . @ cat hello.b main $( write('He'); write('ll'); write('o,'); write(' W'); write('or'); write('ld'); write('!*n'); $) @ bc hello.b hello.s @ as ops.s bl.s hello.s bi.s I II ops.s bl.s hello.s bi.s @ a.out Hello, World! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] PDP-7 Unix: The B compiler works 2016-03-23 19:28 [TUHS] PDP-7 Unix: The B compiler works Warren Toomey @ 2016-03-23 22:02 ` Dario Niedermann 2016-03-24 6:50 ` Dave Horsfall 2016-03-24 9:01 ` [TUHS] Teletype simulator? Warren Toomey 2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Dario Niedermann @ 2016-03-23 22:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Il 23/03/2016 alle 20:28, Warren Toomey ha scritto: > @ bc hello.b hello.s This must have been before the `bc' calculator's birth! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] PDP-7 Unix: The B compiler works 2016-03-23 19:28 [TUHS] PDP-7 Unix: The B compiler works Warren Toomey 2016-03-23 22:02 ` Dario Niedermann @ 2016-03-24 6:50 ` Dave Horsfall 2016-03-24 9:01 ` [TUHS] Teletype simulator? Warren Toomey 2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Dave Horsfall @ 2016-03-24 6:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Wowsers! Good work. -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-23 19:28 [TUHS] PDP-7 Unix: The B compiler works Warren Toomey 2016-03-23 22:02 ` Dario Niedermann 2016-03-24 6:50 ` Dave Horsfall @ 2016-03-24 9:01 ` Warren Toomey 2016-03-24 10:21 ` Pierre DAVID ` (2 more replies) 2 siblings, 3 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Warren Toomey @ 2016-03-24 9:01 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 05:28:20AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > We've got the B compiler working. And now we're working on ed, which assembles and runs, but has bugs. This might be a strange request, but does anybody know of a "Teletype simulator", a graphical program that acts like Telnet but prints characters in a typewriter-ish font and "clacks" when they are printed. I thought it would be nice to get a feel for what it was like to use a real tty; I only used glass ttys (ADM3a, VT100s and so on). Cheers, Warren P.S Linux/BSD version preferred of course. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-24 9:01 ` [TUHS] Teletype simulator? Warren Toomey @ 2016-03-24 10:21 ` Pierre DAVID 2016-03-24 11:00 ` Clem cole 2016-03-24 16:37 ` Jacob Goense 2016-03-25 2:18 ` Dave Horsfall 2 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Pierre DAVID @ 2016-03-24 10:21 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 07:01:31PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: >On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 05:28:20AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: >> We've got the B compiler working. > >And now we're working on ed, which assembles and runs, but has bugs. > >This might be a strange request, but does anybody know of a "Teletype >simulator", a graphical program that acts like Telnet but prints characters >in a typewriter-ish font and "clacks" when they are printed. > >I thought it would be nice to get a feel for what it was like to >use a real tty; I only used glass ttys (ADM3a, VT100s and so on). > >Cheers, Warren > >P.S Linux/BSD version preferred of course. > It's not exactly what you asked for, but you can try: http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ Keyboard and printer "clak" as you wished, and there is a typewriter-ish font. Pierre P.S.: no need for a sorter, with this program. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-24 10:21 ` Pierre DAVID @ 2016-03-24 11:00 ` Clem cole 2016-03-24 11:01 ` Clem cole 2016-03-24 21:39 ` Clem Cole 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Clem cole @ 2016-03-24 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Yes there is an emulator for the Mac that does both glass tty emulation with smearing fuzzy chats etc. and ASR33. I'll have to do some digging through the old email. To find the pointer. My memory is its a small dollars and my open source. Clem Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 24, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Pierre DAVID <pdagog at gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 07:01:31PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 05:28:20AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: >>> We've got the B compiler working. >> >> And now we're working on ed, which assembles and runs, but has bugs. >> >> This might be a strange request, but does anybody know of a "Teletype >> simulator", a graphical program that acts like Telnet but prints characters >> in a typewriter-ish font and "clacks" when they are printed. >> >> I thought it would be nice to get a feel for what it was like to >> use a real tty; I only used glass ttys (ADM3a, VT100s and so on). >> >> Cheers, Warren >> >> P.S Linux/BSD version preferred of course. > > It's not exactly what you asked for, but you can try: > > http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ > > Keyboard and printer "clak" as you wished, and there is a typewriter-ish > font. > > Pierre > > P.S.: no need for a sorter, with this program. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-24 11:00 ` Clem cole @ 2016-03-24 11:01 ` Clem cole 2016-03-24 21:39 ` Clem Cole 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Clem cole @ 2016-03-24 11:01 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1524 bytes --] Btw. It does not emulate the smell of small machine oil or the mess of ppt punch chaff on the floor 😉 Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 24, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Clem cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote: > > Yes there is an emulator for the Mac that does both glass tty emulation with smearing fuzzy chats etc. and ASR33. I'll have to do some digging through the old email. To find the pointer. > > > My memory is its a small dollars and my open source. Clem > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Mar 24, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Pierre DAVID <pdagog at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 07:01:31PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: >>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 05:28:20AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: >>>> We've got the B compiler working. >>> >>> And now we're working on ed, which assembles and runs, but has bugs. >>> >>> This might be a strange request, but does anybody know of a "Teletype >>> simulator", a graphical program that acts like Telnet but prints characters >>> in a typewriter-ish font and "clacks" when they are printed. >>> >>> I thought it would be nice to get a feel for what it was like to >>> use a real tty; I only used glass ttys (ADM3a, VT100s and so on). >>> >>> Cheers, Warren >>> >>> P.S Linux/BSD version preferred of course. >> >> It's not exactly what you asked for, but you can try: >> >> http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ >> >> Keyboard and printer "clak" as you wished, and there is a typewriter-ish >> font. >> >> Pierre >> >> P.S.: no need for a sorter, with this program. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-24 11:00 ` Clem cole 2016-03-24 11:01 ` Clem cole @ 2016-03-24 21:39 ` Clem Cole 2016-03-25 3:18 ` Mary Ann Horton 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Clem Cole @ 2016-03-24 21:39 UTC (permalink / raw) check out: http://www.secretgeometry.com/apps/cathode/ I'll keep looking for the ASR33 and IBM 2780 emulators. Clem On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Clem cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote: > Yes there is an emulator for the Mac that does both glass tty emulation > with smearing fuzzy chats etc. and ASR33. I'll have to do some digging > through the old email. To find the pointer. > > > My memory is its a small dollars and my open source. Clem > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 24, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Pierre DAVID <pdagog at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 07:01:31PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > >>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 05:28:20AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > >>> We've got the B compiler working. > >> > >> And now we're working on ed, which assembles and runs, but has bugs. > >> > >> This might be a strange request, but does anybody know of a "Teletype > >> simulator", a graphical program that acts like Telnet but prints > characters > >> in a typewriter-ish font and "clacks" when they are printed. > >> > >> I thought it would be nice to get a feel for what it was like to > >> use a real tty; I only used glass ttys (ADM3a, VT100s and so on). > >> > >> Cheers, Warren > >> > >> P.S Linux/BSD version preferred of course. > > > > It's not exactly what you asked for, but you can try: > > > > http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ > > > > Keyboard and printer "clak" as you wished, and there is a typewriter-ish > > font. > > > > Pierre > > > > P.S.: no need for a sorter, with this program. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20160324/e256a3df/attachment.html> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-24 21:39 ` Clem Cole @ 2016-03-25 3:18 ` Mary Ann Horton 2016-03-25 3:57 ` Charles Anthony 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Mary Ann Horton @ 2016-03-25 3:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Is there an emulator for the 132 column line printer anywhere? I'd like to take a file (complete with FORTRAN carriage control) and turn it into an image (PNG or whatever), supporting overstrikes. On my bucket list is to convert my collection of image tapes from the 1970s, intended to be printed on an lpr, cut into strips, and taped together, into images suitable for a laser printer or a normal monitor. What font did a typical IBM mainframe printer use, anyway? Mary Ann On 03/24/2016 02:39 PM, Clem Cole wrote: > check out: http://www.secretgeometry.com/apps/cathode/ > > I'll keep looking for the ASR33 and IBM 2780 emulators. > > Clem > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Clem cole <clemc at ccc.com > <mailto:clemc at ccc.com>> wrote: > > Yes there is an emulator for the Mac that does both glass tty > emulation with smearing fuzzy chats etc. and ASR33. I'll have to > do some digging through the old email. To find the pointer. > > > My memory is its a small dollars and my open source. Clem > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 24, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Pierre DAVID <pdagog at gmail.com > <mailto:pdagog at gmail.com>> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 07:01:31PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > >>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 05:28:20AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > >>> We've got the B compiler working. > >> > >> And now we're working on ed, which assembles and runs, but has > bugs. > >> > >> This might be a strange request, but does anybody know of a > "Teletype > >> simulator", a graphical program that acts like Telnet but > prints characters > >> in a typewriter-ish font and "clacks" when they are printed. > >> > >> I thought it would be nice to get a feel for what it was like to > >> use a real tty; I only used glass ttys (ADM3a, VT100s and so on). > >> > >> Cheers, Warren > >> > >> P.S Linux/BSD version preferred of course. > > > > It's not exactly what you asked for, but you can try: > > > > http://www.masswerk.at/google60/ > > > > Keyboard and printer "clak" as you wished, and there is a > typewriter-ish > > font. > > > > Pierre > > > > P.S.: no need for a sorter, with this program. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20160324/cefabfcb/attachment.html> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-25 3:18 ` Mary Ann Horton @ 2016-03-25 3:57 ` Charles Anthony 2016-03-25 20:13 ` Mary Ann Horton 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Charles Anthony @ 2016-03-25 3:57 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Mary Ann Horton <mah at mhorton.net> wrote: > Is there an emulator for the 132 column line printer anywhere? > I'd like to take a file (complete with FORTRAN carriage control) and turn it > into an image (PNG or whatever), supporting overstrikes. > Maybe start with http://urbanjost.altervista.org/LIBRARY/libCLI/EXE/ASA/html/asa2pdf_doc.html -- Charles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20160324/9630652c/attachment.html> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-25 3:57 ` Charles Anthony @ 2016-03-25 20:13 ` Mary Ann Horton 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Mary Ann Horton @ 2016-03-25 20:13 UTC (permalink / raw) Thank you! This program is perfect. On 2016-03-24 20:57, Charles Anthony wrote: > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Mary Ann Horton <mah at mhorton.net> > wrote: >> Is there an emulator for the 132 column line printer anywhere? >> I'd like to take a file (complete with FORTRAN carriage control) and > turn it >> into an image (PNG or whatever), supporting overstrikes. >> > > Maybe start with > http://urbanjost.altervista.org/LIBRARY/libCLI/EXE/ASA/html/asa2pdf_doc.html > > -- Charles ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-24 9:01 ` [TUHS] Teletype simulator? Warren Toomey 2016-03-24 10:21 ` Pierre DAVID @ 2016-03-24 16:37 ` Jacob Goense 2016-03-25 2:18 ` Dave Horsfall 2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Jacob Goense @ 2016-03-24 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw) On 2016-03-24 10:01, Warren Toomey wrote: > This might be a strange request, but does anybody know of a "Teletype > simulator", a graphical program that acts like Telnet but prints > characters > in a typewriter-ish font and "clacks" when they are printed. I hacked a terminal emulator to look like it once. Fired up the browser running javascript, running jor1k, running linux, running simh, running a v6 install. http://dugo.home.xs4all.nl/ksr33.png for the result. I kept the pipes that shouldn't be there on a standard print head. Speed was controlled by simh settings. I reverted to the standard jor1k emulator for the v6 demo[1] because I have no experience or other reference for exactly how a KSR-33 exactly works and lacked the bandwidth to even implement overstrike. I saw one in a contest that emulated the sounds and the moving parts at: https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?p=41373 with source at: https://bitbucket.org/slash_slashware/jsteletype/src [1] http://www.oldbsd.org/unixv6install.html watch out, it is slow and runs on a limited set of browsers. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-24 9:01 ` [TUHS] Teletype simulator? Warren Toomey 2016-03-24 10:21 ` Pierre DAVID 2016-03-24 16:37 ` Jacob Goense @ 2016-03-25 2:18 ` Dave Horsfall 2016-03-25 3:43 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey 2016-03-25 5:59 ` Jacob Goense 2 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Dave Horsfall @ 2016-03-25 2:18 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 24 Mar 2016, Warren Toomey wrote: > This might be a strange request, but does anybody know of a "Teletype > simulator", a graphical program that acts like Telnet but prints > characters in a typewriter-ish font and "clacks" when they are printed. There are no such things as strange requests here :-) Anyway, I've just posted a request to the RTTY list; I'll post back any results. > I thought it would be nice to get a feel for what it was like to use a > real tty; I only used glass ttys (ADM3a, VT100s and so on). My first time was the ASR-33 on the mighty PDP-8... -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-25 2:18 ` Dave Horsfall @ 2016-03-25 3:43 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey 2016-03-25 5:59 ` Jacob Goense 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey @ 2016-03-25 3:43 UTC (permalink / raw) On Friday, 25 March 2016 at 13:18:52 +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Thu, 24 Mar 2016, Warren Toomey wrote: > >> I thought it would be nice to get a feel for what it was like to use a >> real tty; I only used glass ttys (ADM3a, VT100s and so on). > > My first time was the ASR-33 on the mighty PDP-8... Here too. And my co-student Dave Snell had prepared me for it: "You won't *believe* how fast this thing (tty) is!" Even then (30 October 1969, the day the first packet went over the ARPAnet) I was underwhelmed. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 181 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20160325/8aed0d99/attachment.sig> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Teletype simulator? 2016-03-25 2:18 ` Dave Horsfall 2016-03-25 3:43 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey @ 2016-03-25 5:59 ` Jacob Goense 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Jacob Goense @ 2016-03-25 5:59 UTC (permalink / raw) On 2016-03-25 03:18, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Thu, 24 Mar 2016, Warren Toomey wrote: >> I thought it would be nice to get a feel for what it was like to use a >> real tty; I only used glass ttys (ADM3a, VT100s and so on). > > My first time was the ASR-33 on the mighty PDP-8... Reminds me of WinEight, my first time on an emulator that looked like an ASR-33 http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Software/WinEight.htm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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