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From: lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy)
Subject: [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 08:49:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160630154926.GM2203@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEoi9W5RA0Eb90YT5t_23Q8bwj_Hi8pfmzsNpE0ujWLH-GnC6Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:32:08AM -0400, Dan Cross wrote:
> MC68000 vs Intel 8088 seems like a no-brainer: the 68k is the superior
> chip. From a business perspective, I guess it was a very different matter,
> but that's not my area and the ship has long sailed over the horizon.
> Still, it's fun to speculate and I can't help but think that a 68k-based
> IBM PC would have been a nicer machine.

+1

> Something I never understood about the IBM PC: even the 8088 machine was
> fairly beefy compared to e.g. a PDP-11/20. The 6th Edition Unix kernel was
> objectively pretty small and understandable; mini-Unix showed that that
> sort of software could be used on a machine without an MMU. I've never
> understood why IBM didn't just write a real OS in a high-level language
> instead of saddling the world with MS-DOS. Perhaps it's naive of me, but
> even if they didn't use Unix directly, it was an existence proof that such
> a thing was possible. I suppose, again, it was less a technical issue and
> more a business issue, or perhaps I'm underestimating the amount of work or
> missing some of the technical complexities.

I wonder if they just didn't know.  Unix was Bell Labs and Universities for
the most part.  Was the timing such that they may not have been aware of 
Unix?  Or maybe they knew about Unix but thought it was for the vax?


  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-30 15:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-29 15:17 scj
2016-06-30  5:06 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-06-30  5:08 ` John Cowan
2016-06-30 11:18 ` arnold
2016-06-30 11:45   ` arnold
2016-06-30 13:22 ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 14:05   ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 14:33     ` William Cheswick
2016-06-30 14:43       ` Ronald Natalie
2016-06-30 14:57       ` Joerg Schilling
2016-06-30 15:07         ` Ori Idan
2016-06-30 23:07           ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-01  3:27           ` Jesus Cea
2016-06-30 15:32     ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 15:49       ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2016-06-30 16:32         ` Clem Cole
2016-07-04  5:08         ` [TUHS] OS for IBM PC (was: Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-06-30 17:07       ` [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs John Cowan
2016-06-30 17:57         ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 18:31           ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:21             ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 19:51               ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:55                 ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 20:04                   ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 18:26         ` Steve Nickolas
2016-06-30 19:21       ` Diomidis Spinellis
2016-06-30 19:43         ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:53           ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 19:47         ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 20:57         ` Nemo
2016-06-30 23:11           ` Random832
2016-06-30 23:16           ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 23:38             ` Random832
2016-07-01  0:38             ` Clem Cole
2016-07-01  1:21               ` Marc Rochkind
2016-07-01  1:34               ` John Cowan
2016-07-04 19:23                 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-04 19:56                   ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-01  2:35               ` Nemo
2016-07-01  3:01                 ` Kurt H Maier
2016-07-01  3:52               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2016-07-01 12:47                 ` [TUHS] MS-DOS William Cheswick
2016-07-01 13:43                   ` Marc Rochkind
2016-07-01 21:58                     ` John Cowan
2016-07-01 22:27                       ` Jacob Ritorto
2016-07-01 22:54                         ` Jacob Goense
2016-07-01 23:44                         ` John Cowan
2016-07-02  0:08                           ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02  1:09                           ` Kurt H Maier
2016-07-02  2:59                         ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-02  3:27                         ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-07-02 23:21                           ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-01 23:49                     ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-02  1:12                       ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02  4:37                       ` SZIGETI Szabolcs
2016-07-02  9:53                         ` Brantley Coile
2016-07-01 13:47                   ` Clem Cole
2016-07-01 15:13                     ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02 15:25                       ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-02 15:32                         ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02 19:46                           ` Nemo
2016-07-03  1:18                             ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-03 13:33                               ` Nemo
2016-07-01 17:39                     ` John Cowan
2016-07-02 15:17                       ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-03 22:07                   ` Derek Fawcus
2016-07-02 23:32         ` [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs Peter Jeremy
2016-06-30 15:52     ` Joerg Schilling
2016-06-30 20:47     ` Lawrence Stewart
     [not found] <mailman.19.1467287486.30583.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2016-06-30 13:15 ` David
2016-06-30 13:18   ` William Cheswick
2016-06-30 13:39     ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 13:44 Noel Chiappa
2016-06-30 14:28 ` William Cheswick
2016-06-30 19:23 ` John Cowan
2016-06-30 17:17 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2016-07-01  9:32 ` Brantley Coile

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