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From: cowan@mercury.ccil.org (John Cowan)
Subject: [TUHS] MS-DOS
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 13:39:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160701173922.GA22510@mercury.ccil.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2N+5YZd2=6tiTSPnMrT4GBYr95Kaegr9RtsMKgnqwL-Tg@mail.gmail.com>

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Clem Cole scripsit:

> ​UNIX could (and did) at the time --   by the time of the AT (which was
> when the PC's hockey stick curve took off) an 5.25" floppy had a capacity
> of 1.44M.  An RK05, the V6 and V7 standard,  was 2.5 M which is a 40% loss
> of space, but it was do-able.  

The AT also had the 10 MB disk.  Back when I had an AT, I ran Xenix
System III on it along with the MS C compiler, and was able to create
console-mode programs to run on everyone else's MS-DOS machines.
It's hard to remember/believe that Xenix was a Microsoft product before
DOS was.

> > DEC had several (RT11, RSTS, RSX) and the line is perhaps a little fuzzy:
> > they were getting operating-ish.
> >
> ​Be careful here Ches.  RT-11 and DOS-11 meet your (and my definitions).

I would say even RT-11 is somewhere between executive and OS.  It could
run foreground tasks (hence the name Real Time) if properly sysgenned,
and it had a decent kernel API that you didn't have to bypass.

> But RSTS and RSX were multi-users and ran (run) protected mode, have/had
> full networking stacks etc.  

+1

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-01 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-29 15:17 [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs scj
2016-06-30  5:06 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-06-30  5:08 ` John Cowan
2016-06-30 11:18 ` arnold
2016-06-30 11:45   ` arnold
2016-06-30 13:22 ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 14:05   ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 14:33     ` William Cheswick
2016-06-30 14:43       ` Ronald Natalie
2016-06-30 14:57       ` Joerg Schilling
2016-06-30 15:07         ` Ori Idan
2016-06-30 23:07           ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-01  3:27           ` Jesus Cea
2016-06-30 15:32     ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 15:49       ` Larry McVoy
2016-06-30 16:32         ` Clem Cole
2016-07-04  5:08         ` [TUHS] OS for IBM PC (was: Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-06-30 17:07       ` [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs John Cowan
2016-06-30 17:57         ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 18:31           ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:21             ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 19:51               ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:55                 ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 20:04                   ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 18:26         ` Steve Nickolas
2016-06-30 19:21       ` Diomidis Spinellis
2016-06-30 19:43         ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:53           ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 19:47         ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 20:57         ` Nemo
2016-06-30 23:11           ` Random832
2016-06-30 23:16           ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 23:38             ` Random832
2016-07-01  0:38             ` Clem Cole
2016-07-01  1:21               ` Marc Rochkind
2016-07-01  1:34               ` John Cowan
2016-07-04 19:23                 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-04 19:56                   ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-01  2:35               ` Nemo
2016-07-01  3:01                 ` Kurt H Maier
2016-07-01  3:52               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2016-07-01 12:47                 ` [TUHS] MS-DOS William Cheswick
2016-07-01 13:43                   ` Marc Rochkind
2016-07-01 21:58                     ` John Cowan
2016-07-01 22:27                       ` Jacob Ritorto
2016-07-01 22:54                         ` Jacob Goense
2016-07-01 23:44                         ` John Cowan
2016-07-02  0:08                           ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02  1:09                           ` Kurt H Maier
2016-07-02  2:59                         ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-02  3:27                         ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-07-02 23:21                           ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-01 23:49                     ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-02  1:12                       ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02  4:37                       ` SZIGETI Szabolcs
2016-07-02  9:53                         ` Brantley Coile
2016-07-01 13:47                   ` Clem Cole
2016-07-01 15:13                     ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02 15:25                       ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-02 15:32                         ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02 19:46                           ` Nemo
2016-07-03  1:18                             ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-03 13:33                               ` Nemo
2016-07-01 17:39                     ` John Cowan [this message]
2016-07-02 15:17                       ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-03 22:07                   ` Derek Fawcus
2016-07-02 23:32         ` [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs Peter Jeremy
2016-06-30 15:52     ` Joerg Schilling
2016-06-30 20:47     ` Lawrence Stewart
2016-07-02  0:12 [TUHS] MS-DOS Norman Wilson
2016-07-02  1:13 ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02  4:52   ` Random832
2016-07-03 19:40   ` scj

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