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From: peter@rulingia.com (Peter Jeremy)
Subject: [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 09:32:17 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160702233217.GA40900@server.rulingia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2c674075-db86-827b-fd97-30921757e9ae@aueb.gr>

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On 2016-Jun-30 22:21:27 +0300, Diomidis Spinellis <dds at aueb.gr> wrote:
>First, the 8088 was a 16-bit CPU with an 8-bit data bus in a cheap 
>40-pin package.  This halved the number DRAM chips required and allowed 
>the IBM PC to be easily designed along existing easily-available 8-bit 
>peripherals.  In contrast the 68000 had a 16-bit data bus in a more 
>expensive 64-pin package.  Remember that in the 1980s glue logic was 
>implemented through simple TTL chips, so adopting the 68000 might have 
>doubled the number of chips on the motherboard.

My understanding was that the 8-bit bus was a requirement so IBM could
have a 64KB base model using the then new 64k×1 chips.  IBM also
emasculated the PC so it didn't compete with their existing minis.  The
68008 wasn't available until later (and this would explain why Motorola
pushed the 6809 as a solution).

Both the 8086 and M68k could relatively easily use 8-bit peripherals
(both Intel and Motorola had a range of 8-bit peripherals that they
didn't want to make instantly obsolete).

>In addition, the 8086 architecture was an extension of the 8080 one, 
>which made it easier to make the MS-DOS API compatible with the CP/M 

Since IBM was buying the software, I'm not sure how much of a driver
this was.  Definitely, porting from 8080 to 8086 was easier but writing
from scratch would be far easier on M68k.

-- 
Peter Jeremy
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-02 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-29 15:17 scj
2016-06-30  5:06 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-06-30  5:08 ` John Cowan
2016-06-30 11:18 ` arnold
2016-06-30 11:45   ` arnold
2016-06-30 13:22 ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 14:05   ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 14:33     ` William Cheswick
2016-06-30 14:43       ` Ronald Natalie
2016-06-30 14:57       ` Joerg Schilling
2016-06-30 15:07         ` Ori Idan
2016-06-30 23:07           ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-01  3:27           ` Jesus Cea
2016-06-30 15:32     ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 15:49       ` Larry McVoy
2016-06-30 16:32         ` Clem Cole
2016-07-04  5:08         ` [TUHS] OS for IBM PC (was: Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-06-30 17:07       ` [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs John Cowan
2016-06-30 17:57         ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 18:31           ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:21             ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 19:51               ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:55                 ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 20:04                   ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 18:26         ` Steve Nickolas
2016-06-30 19:21       ` Diomidis Spinellis
2016-06-30 19:43         ` Dan Cross
2016-06-30 19:53           ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 19:47         ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 20:57         ` Nemo
2016-06-30 23:11           ` Random832
2016-06-30 23:16           ` Marc Rochkind
2016-06-30 23:38             ` Random832
2016-07-01  0:38             ` Clem Cole
2016-07-01  1:21               ` Marc Rochkind
2016-07-01  1:34               ` John Cowan
2016-07-04 19:23                 ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-04 19:56                   ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-01  2:35               ` Nemo
2016-07-01  3:01                 ` Kurt H Maier
2016-07-01  3:52               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2016-07-01 12:47                 ` [TUHS] MS-DOS William Cheswick
2016-07-01 13:43                   ` Marc Rochkind
2016-07-01 21:58                     ` John Cowan
2016-07-01 22:27                       ` Jacob Ritorto
2016-07-01 22:54                         ` Jacob Goense
2016-07-01 23:44                         ` John Cowan
2016-07-02  0:08                           ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02  1:09                           ` Kurt H Maier
2016-07-02  2:59                         ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-02  3:27                         ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-07-02 23:21                           ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-01 23:49                     ` Dave Horsfall
2016-07-02  1:12                       ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02  4:37                       ` SZIGETI Szabolcs
2016-07-02  9:53                         ` Brantley Coile
2016-07-01 13:47                   ` Clem Cole
2016-07-01 15:13                     ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02 15:25                       ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-02 15:32                         ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-02 19:46                           ` Nemo
2016-07-03  1:18                             ` Steve Nickolas
2016-07-03 13:33                               ` Nemo
2016-07-01 17:39                     ` John Cowan
2016-07-02 15:17                       ` Ronald Natalie
2016-07-03 22:07                   ` Derek Fawcus
2016-07-02 23:32         ` Peter Jeremy [this message]
2016-06-30 15:52     ` [TUHS] Algol68 vs. C at Bell Labs Joerg Schilling
2016-06-30 20:47     ` Lawrence Stewart
     [not found] <mailman.19.1467287486.30583.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2016-06-30 13:15 ` David
2016-06-30 13:18   ` William Cheswick
2016-06-30 13:39     ` Clem Cole
2016-06-30 13:44 Noel Chiappa
2016-06-30 14:28 ` William Cheswick
2016-06-30 19:23 ` John Cowan
2016-06-30 17:17 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2016-07-01  9:32 ` Brantley Coile

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