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From: pepe@naleco.com (Josh Good)
Subject: [TUHS] System Economics (was is Linux "officially branded UNIX")
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:55:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170315235525.GC15120@naleco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2M44mLtC=jQ8MC1zvp7ZEC5FwcjfoRbEebh=6S5mRCNvg@mail.gmail.com>

On 2017 Mar 15, 15:45, Clem Cole wrote:
> 
> SVR4 (aka UnixWare) was available for source  - the problem is many people
> did like the price to see it.   It was $100K.  But the source was available
> it was open and many, many of people with PC and had access to it, wrote
> drivers for it etc.  There were books published about it.  It was hardly
> secret.

Nobody says UNIX source code was "secret". It just was not open after
UNIX began to be directly sold by AT&T post Bell-breakage.

If UNIX source code was "open" at $100K, then Windows NT source code can
also be seen as open if you have enough money to buy Microsoft.

> Just saying please don't say UNIX was not Open.   It was.  Unix was not
> Free.

I beg to differ. UNIX stopped being open when the Lion's book could not
be legally sold anymore at bookstores. That happened even earlier than
System V, it happened when AT&T released V7. The reason that AT&T stated
was that they wanted to keep "UNIX source code" as a "trade secret".

So this begs the question: how can something, anything, be at the same
time "open" and a "trade secret"?

No doubt some argumentation can be concocted to marry both concepts, but
I have that feeling it's going to be a hard one to swallow.

To me, open means libre access, because if there is no libre access, then
it is what is known as closed.

Please note that libre access --when applied to source code-- does not
necessarily mean "up for grabs and redistribution" - it just means libre
access to random eyeballs in meatspace.

-- 
Josh Good



  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-15 23:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-14 14:43 Clem Cole
2017-03-14 15:38 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-14 15:51   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-14 15:56     ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-14 15:57     ` Michael Kjörling
2017-03-14 16:20       ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-14 18:06         ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-14 18:31           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-14 18:59             ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-14 18:20         ` Clem Cole
2017-03-14 19:48           ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-15 14:32             ` Michael Kjörling
2017-03-15 15:36               ` Arthur Krewat
     [not found]                 ` <58c9623b.law1Aw2ufj3DFNA1%schily@schily.net>
2017-03-15 15:54                   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-15 15:59                 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-15 17:43                   ` Warner Losh
2017-03-15 19:02                     ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-15 19:14                       ` Warner Losh
2017-03-14 18:41         ` Warner Losh
2017-03-17 18:16           ` [TUHS] GNU vs BSD before the lawsuit and before Linux Tony Finch
2017-03-17 18:52             ` Jeremy C. Reed
2017-03-19  7:18               ` arnold
2017-03-19  9:05                 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-19 18:37                 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-17 19:54             ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-14 18:18   ` [TUHS] System Economics (was is Linux "officially branded UNIX") Clem Cole
2017-03-14 16:20 ` tfb
2017-03-14 22:45 ` Josh Good
2017-03-15  1:11   ` Clem Cole
2017-03-15  7:55     ` arnold
2017-03-15 19:28     ` Josh Good
2017-03-15 19:35       ` Clem Cole
2017-03-15 20:26         ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-15 23:22           ` 'Josh Good'
2017-03-15 19:45       ` Clem Cole
2017-03-15 20:27         ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-15 20:48           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-15 23:46           ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-16  0:45             ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16  1:27               ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-16  3:09                 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-16  3:18                   ` Charles Anthony
2017-03-16  3:36               ` Dan Cross
2017-03-16  4:08                 ` arnold
2017-03-16 12:51               ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-16 13:18                 ` William Pechter
2017-03-17 21:20               ` Josh Good
2017-03-16 15:42           ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-16 17:29             ` William Pechter
2017-03-15 23:55         ` Josh Good [this message]
2017-03-16  0:05           ` William Pechter
2017-03-15 20:08       ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16  0:46         ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-16  0:52           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 19:47       ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-17  2:16         ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-17 15:55           ` Warner Losh
2017-03-17 21:11           ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-14 19:01 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-14 20:05 Clem Cole
2017-03-14 20:16 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-14 20:54 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-14 21:19   ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 15:40 Norman Wilson
2017-03-16 17:26 ` William Pechter
2017-03-16 18:45   ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 22:17 ` Dave Horsfall

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