From: pepe@naleco.com (Josh Good)
Subject: [TUHS] System Economics (was is Linux "officially branded UNIX")
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 00:55:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170315235525.GC15120@naleco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2M44mLtC=jQ8MC1zvp7ZEC5FwcjfoRbEebh=6S5mRCNvg@mail.gmail.com>
On 2017 Mar 15, 15:45, Clem Cole wrote:
>
> SVR4 (aka UnixWare) was available for source - the problem is many people
> did like the price to see it. It was $100K. But the source was available
> it was open and many, many of people with PC and had access to it, wrote
> drivers for it etc. There were books published about it. It was hardly
> secret.
Nobody says UNIX source code was "secret". It just was not open after
UNIX began to be directly sold by AT&T post Bell-breakage.
If UNIX source code was "open" at $100K, then Windows NT source code can
also be seen as open if you have enough money to buy Microsoft.
> Just saying please don't say UNIX was not Open. It was. Unix was not
> Free.
I beg to differ. UNIX stopped being open when the Lion's book could not
be legally sold anymore at bookstores. That happened even earlier than
System V, it happened when AT&T released V7. The reason that AT&T stated
was that they wanted to keep "UNIX source code" as a "trade secret".
So this begs the question: how can something, anything, be at the same
time "open" and a "trade secret"?
No doubt some argumentation can be concocted to marry both concepts, but
I have that feeling it's going to be a hard one to swallow.
To me, open means libre access, because if there is no libre access, then
it is what is known as closed.
Please note that libre access --when applied to source code-- does not
necessarily mean "up for grabs and redistribution" - it just means libre
access to random eyeballs in meatspace.
--
Josh Good
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-03-15 23:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-03-14 14:43 Clem Cole
2017-03-14 15:38 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-14 15:51 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-14 15:56 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-14 15:57 ` Michael Kjörling
2017-03-14 16:20 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-14 18:06 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-14 18:31 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-14 18:59 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-14 18:20 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-14 19:48 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-15 14:32 ` Michael Kjörling
2017-03-15 15:36 ` Arthur Krewat
[not found] ` <58c9623b.law1Aw2ufj3DFNA1%schily@schily.net>
2017-03-15 15:54 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-15 15:59 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-15 17:43 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-15 19:02 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-15 19:14 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-14 18:41 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-17 18:16 ` [TUHS] GNU vs BSD before the lawsuit and before Linux Tony Finch
2017-03-17 18:52 ` Jeremy C. Reed
2017-03-19 7:18 ` arnold
2017-03-19 9:05 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-19 18:37 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-17 19:54 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-14 18:18 ` [TUHS] System Economics (was is Linux "officially branded UNIX") Clem Cole
2017-03-14 16:20 ` tfb
2017-03-14 22:45 ` Josh Good
2017-03-15 1:11 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-15 7:55 ` arnold
2017-03-15 19:28 ` Josh Good
2017-03-15 19:35 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-15 20:26 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-15 23:22 ` 'Josh Good'
2017-03-15 19:45 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-15 20:27 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-15 20:48 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-15 23:46 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-16 0:45 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 1:27 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-03-16 3:09 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-16 3:18 ` Charles Anthony
2017-03-16 3:36 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-16 4:08 ` arnold
2017-03-16 12:51 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-16 13:18 ` William Pechter
2017-03-17 21:20 ` Josh Good
2017-03-16 15:42 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-16 17:29 ` William Pechter
2017-03-15 23:55 ` Josh Good [this message]
2017-03-16 0:05 ` William Pechter
2017-03-15 20:08 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 0:46 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-16 0:52 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 19:47 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-17 2:16 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-17 15:55 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-17 21:11 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-14 19:01 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-14 20:05 Clem Cole
2017-03-14 20:16 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-03-14 20:54 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-14 21:19 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 15:40 Norman Wilson
2017-03-16 17:26 ` William Pechter
2017-03-16 18:45 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-16 22:17 ` Dave Horsfall
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