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From: michael@kjorling.se (Michael Kjörling)
Subject: [TUHS] The evolution of Unix facilities and architecture
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 08:17:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170512081713.GD7265@yeono.kjorling.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1873b923-6f5e-83a2-753d-6d7a2f8b580a@telegraphics.com.au>

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On 11 May 2017 21:05 -0400, from toby at telegraphics.com.au (Toby Thain):
>>> ext2
>> 
>> That's a journalled FS, isn't it?  In which case the transactions get
>> replayed.
> 
> No, I think ext3fs was the first version that was journaled.

Correct. ext2 doesn't have journaling, but if you do `mkfs.ext2 -j` on
Linux it creates a _journaled ext2_ A.K.A. _ext3_ file system.

With the resulting selling point of ext3 being mainly _much_ shorter
fsck times.


> So was reiserfs. With pull-plug tests I could get ext3fs to toss
> cookies but not reiserfs.

ReiserFS seems to be one of those where peoples' experiences really
differ. I've had massive crashes involving reiserfs myself, but don't
think I have ever actually lost any significant amounts of data to
ext2/3. Maybe it was just bad luck, but I have been bit sufficiently
badly by it to relegate it to the scrap heap of history. At least at
the time lack of good recovery tools didn't help (but then again if
ZFS breaks sufficiently that the pool doesn't import, you're pretty
hosed, too). Backups, backups.

These days, for me, it's pretty much all ZFS where I have any say in
it, and in addition even my home desktop is on a UPS (with automated,
controlled shutdown when approaching battery depletion), so unplanned
shutdowns are far less likely to happen. About the only way that can
realistically happen is either a kernel crash, or the UPS misreporting
(overestimating) the remaining battery time, resulting in a hard
shutdown before or during the shutdown process. Neither is impossible,
of course.

-- 
Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • michael at kjorling.se
                 “People who think they know everything really annoy
                 those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup)


  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-12  8:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-11 14:07 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-11 14:21 ` Larry McVoy
2017-05-11 16:17   ` Clem Cole
2017-05-11 17:11     ` Michael Kjörling
2017-05-11 21:44       ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-11 22:06         ` Warner Losh
2017-05-12  6:24         ` Hellwig Geisse
2017-05-12 21:12           ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-12 23:25             ` Hellwig Geisse
2017-05-11 16:15 ` Clem Cole
2017-05-11 16:52   ` Warner Losh
2017-05-11 17:12     ` Clem Cole
2017-05-11 20:37       ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-11 22:25         ` Larry McVoy
2017-05-11 22:30           ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-11 23:47           ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-11 23:48             ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-12  0:21               ` Larry McVoy
2017-05-12  2:42                 ` Warner Losh
2017-05-12  0:16             ` Larry McVoy
2017-05-12  1:41               ` Wesley Parish
2017-05-12  1:05             ` Toby Thain
2017-05-12  8:17               ` Michael Kjörling [this message]
2017-05-12 13:56                 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-05-12 14:22                   ` Michael Kjörling
2017-05-12 14:30                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-05-12 15:11                     ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-05-12 15:52                     ` Chet Ramey
2017-05-12 16:21                       ` Warner Losh
2017-05-12  8:15             ` Harald Arnesen
2017-05-14  4:30           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-05-14 17:40             ` Clem Cole
     [not found] <mailman.1.1494986402.2329.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2017-05-19 14:31 ` David
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-05-16 13:20 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-16 13:46 ` Clem Cole
2017-05-14 21:44 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-13  1:25 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-13  0:44 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-13  0:51 ` Random832
2017-05-13  0:55   ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-13  1:17   ` Chris Torek
2017-05-13 15:25   ` Steve Simon
2017-05-13 16:55     ` Clem Cole
2017-05-13 17:19       ` William Pechter
2017-05-14 12:55         ` Derek Fawcus
2017-05-14 22:12           ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-15  1:24             ` Nemo
2017-05-15 18:00               ` Steve Johnson
2017-05-16 22:33                 ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-16 23:13                   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-05-16 23:18                     ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-13 23:01     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-12 23:30 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-12 23:38 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-12 23:52   ` Random832
2017-05-13  0:26     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-13  0:48       ` Random832
2017-05-13  0:22 ` Clem Cole
2017-05-13  0:23   ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 18:43 Doug McIlroy
2017-05-12 18:56 ` Dan Cross
2017-05-12 19:43   ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 20:06     ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 20:40       ` Jeremy C. Reed
2017-05-12 21:29         ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 21:29   ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-12 15:12 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-12 15:17 ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 15:18   ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 15:46     ` Clem Cole
2017-05-11 17:08 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-11 21:34 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-10 14:08 Diomidis Spinellis
2017-05-10 14:38 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-05-10 23:09   ` Erik Berls
2017-05-11 12:40     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-05-11  0:49 ` Clem Cole

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