[TUHS] Bell Labs history question

[TUHS] Bell Labs history question

[arnold]

Hi.

For a project I'm working on, I wonder if the Bell Labs alumni present
can tell me what was the default group for files for the researchers?
That is, what group did ls -l show?

In particular, in the late 90s - ~ V10 time frame.

Much thanks,

Arnold

[TUHS] Bell Labs history question

[William Cheswick]

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— coma

I happen to have a tar file from coma, one of the main V10 machines I used.  
A sample file has

UID	115
GID	20

The tar file is dated April 29 1997

The UID was doubtless “ches”.  

— research
I have another file from Oct 14, 1992, named ypsnarf.c,
UID=2009, GUD-2009

This file is probably from research (as in research!ches) and was a MIPS not running V10.
This was probably ches,ches and not helpful.

— bowell

bowell was the master source machine for V10.  A file (proxy.c, Mar  3  1993) I had tarred up from there has
UID:	1696
GID:	4


ches


> On 29Aug 2017, at 9:07 AM, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> For a project I'm working on, I wonder if the Bell Labs alumni present
> can tell me what was the default group for files for the researchers?
> That is, what group did ls -l show?
> 
> In particular, in the late 90s - ~ V10 time frame.
> 
> Much thanks,
> 
> Arnold

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[TUHS] Bell Labs history question

[arnold]

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Thanks!

Any idea what the group names would have been?

Arnold

William Cheswick <ches at cheswick.com> wrote:

> — coma
>
> I happen to have a tar file from coma, one of the main V10 machines I used.  
> A sample file has
>
> UID	115
> GID	20
>
> The tar file is dated April 29 1997
>
> The UID was doubtless “ches”.  
>
> — research
> I have another file from Oct 14, 1992, named ypsnarf.c,
> UID=2009, GUD-2009
>
> This file is probably from research (as in research!ches) and was a MIPS not running V10.
> This was probably ches,ches and not helpful.
>
> — bowell
>
> bowell was the master source machine for V10.  A file (proxy.c, Mar  3  1993) I had tarred up from there has
> UID:	1696
> GID:	4
>
>
> ches
>
>
> > On 29Aug 2017, at 9:07 AM, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
> > 
> > Hi.
> > 
> > For a project I'm working on, I wonder if the Bell Labs alumni present
> > can tell me what was the default group for files for the researchers?
> > That is, what group did ls -l show?
> > 
> > In particular, in the late 90s - ~ V10 time frame.
> > 
> > Much thanks,
> > 
> > Arnold
>

[TUHS] Bell Labs history question

[Ronald Natalie]

The last I can probably answer.   Early ls -l would only list the user name not the group.

[TUHS] Bell Labs history question

[Dave Horsfall]

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017, Ronald Natalie wrote:

> The last I can probably answer.  Early ls -l would only list the user 
> name not the group.

Yep; you had to say "ls -lg" to get the group.

-- 
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer."

[TUHS] Bell Labs history question

[arnold]

> > The last I can probably answer.  Early ls -l would only list the user 
> > name not the group.

This I knew.

> Yep; you had to say "ls -lg" to get the group.

And this too.  V7 ls is this way.

But I would have thought by the V10 timeframe that ls -l would also
have shown the group, and I was wondering what group (group name)
that would have been.

It's not that important.

Thanks to everyone who answered,

Arnold