From: lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy)
Subject: [TUHS] X and NeWS history (long)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 15:58:51 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170912225851.GG7819@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201709122211.v8CMB3pf029787@darkstar.fourwinds.com>
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 03:11:03PM -0700, Jon Steinhart wrote:
> In many respects Sun botched NeWS politically. Large numbers of businesses
> relied on applications that ran on Sun's SunView window system which was
> heavily hooked into the OS and not even remotely portable.
The rest of your story is great, just one small correction. SunView started
as something Sun specific but it pretty quickly became a library on top of
X11. I'm not sure if it ever worked on X10, I think it did but I'm not sure.
Source: I've hacked up GUI interfaces for the SCM I did at Sun in Sunview.
This would have been around 1990, is that still X10 or X11?
> We showed XTool off at some shows. People would come by the booth and ask
> "how did you get it to run so fast?" Being me, I loudly answered "We cheated.
> We designed ours first." Turns out that one of these times Keith Packard and
> Jim Gettys were walking by which resulted in some long-standing animosity.
Heh. I can only imagine. ROTFLMAF.
> Wrapping this up on a happy note, some years ago I was hanging out yakking at
> the Hacker's Conference when this guy I didn't recognize due to hair loss came
> up to me and said "I'm not going to say that you weren't an asshole because
> you were, but you were right." It was Keith Packard who was trying to get X
> running on the OLPC and had run into the issue of clients allocating server
> memory that couldn't be freed. Been good friends since. Same with Gettys.
Awesome.
> Well, that's the whole sordid take from my point of view. Hope that you
> enjoyed it.
I sure did, love to meet you some time, where are you?
--lm
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2017-09-08 20:54 [TUHS] Happy birthday, Dennis Ritchie! Dave Horsfall
2017-09-08 21:04 ` Noel Chiappa
2017-09-08 21:09 ` Michael Kjörling
2017-09-09 1:16 ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-09 1:30 ` [TUHS] File-as-record (was: Happy birthday, Dennis Ritchie!) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2017-09-09 1:43 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-09 1:50 ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-09 13:59 ` [TUHS] File-as-record Arthur Krewat
2017-09-11 17:26 ` [TUHS] File-as-record (was: Happy birthday, Dennis Ritchie!) Paul Winalski
2017-09-09 4:34 ` [TUHS] Happy birthday, Dennis Ritchie! Steve Johnson
2017-09-09 13:04 ` William Cheswick
2017-09-09 17:26 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-09 17:49 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-09 19:40 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-09 20:33 ` Lawrence Stewart
2017-09-09 21:56 ` Steve Johnson
2017-09-10 1:27 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-11 16:20 ` Paul Winalski
2017-09-09 15:55 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-08 22:28 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-09 11:04 ` Michael Kjörling
2017-09-09 11:19 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-08 21:05 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-08 21:14 ` William Pechter
2017-09-08 22:13 ` Angus Robinson
2017-09-08 23:11 ` William Pechter
2017-09-09 5:13 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-09 15:41 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-09 4:20 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-11 16:30 ` Paul Winalski
2017-09-11 16:49 ` [TUHS] Happy birthday, Dennis Ritchie! [ really sun vs dec/apollo ] Jon Steinhart
2017-09-11 17:37 ` Paul Winalski
2017-09-11 23:09 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-12 7:38 ` arnold
2017-09-12 14:12 ` Ronald Natalie
2017-09-12 14:51 ` Toby Thain
2017-09-12 15:33 ` arnold
2017-09-12 15:35 ` [TUHS] Happy birthday, Dennis Ritchie! [ really sun vs dec/apollo --> X and NeWS ] Jon Steinhart
2017-09-12 16:57 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-12 17:04 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-12 17:07 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-12 22:11 ` [TUHS] X and NeWS history (long) Jon Steinhart
2017-09-12 22:58 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2017-09-12 23:22 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-12 23:44 ` Chris Torek
2017-09-12 23:41 ` Adam Sampson
2017-09-13 0:14 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-13 16:38 ` [TUHS] old X versions (was:X and NeWS history) Christian Groessler
2017-09-13 19:10 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-09-13 19:13 ` Henry Bent
2017-09-19 0:44 ` Random832
2017-09-19 10:30 ` Nigel Williams
2017-09-19 14:05 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-19 15:16 ` Gregg Levine
2017-09-19 15:39 ` [TUHS] old X versions Chet Ramey
2017-09-19 18:23 ` Nemo
2017-09-19 18:32 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-19 18:32 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-19 18:34 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-19 18:43 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-19 19:19 ` Stephen Kitt
2017-09-19 15:40 ` [TUHS] old X versions (was:X and NeWS history) Clem Cole
2017-09-19 17:01 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-19 17:15 ` Gregg Levine
2017-09-19 18:56 ` Derek Fawcus
2017-09-19 19:22 ` [TUHS] old X versions Arthur Krewat
2017-09-19 20:15 ` [TUHS] old X versions (was:X and NeWS history) Gregg Levine
2017-09-19 18:30 ` Nemo
2017-09-19 23:40 ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-19 23:46 ` [TUHS] old X versions Grant Taylor
2017-09-20 0:06 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-13 0:29 ` [TUHS] X and NeWS history (long) Bakul Shah
2017-09-13 0:52 ` ron minnich
2017-09-13 0:54 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-13 0:56 ` ron minnich
2017-09-13 0:57 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-13 2:06 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-09-13 3:34 ` ron minnich
2017-09-13 3:55 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-13 15:16 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-13 15:42 ` [TUHS] X and NeWS history (long) [ really systemd, student access to real code ] Jon Steinhart
2017-09-13 1:42 ` [TUHS] X and NeWS history (long) Arthur Krewat
2017-09-13 2:27 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-13 16:14 ` Lawrence Stewart
2017-09-13 0:56 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-13 1:34 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-13 2:43 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-13 3:01 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-13 3:25 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-13 3:27 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-13 15:09 ` Tony Finch
2017-09-13 15:19 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-12 23:33 ` [TUHS] Happy birthday, Dennis Ritchie! [ really sun vs dec/apollo --> X and NeWS ] Dave Horsfall
2017-09-12 20:15 ` Steve Johnson
2017-09-13 2:23 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-14 0:53 ` Nemo
2017-09-14 1:18 ` Henry Bent
2017-09-14 3:15 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-14 9:35 ` Rico Pajarola
2017-09-14 11:11 ` arnold
2017-09-14 12:13 ` Rico Pajarola
2017-09-14 12:50 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-14 13:27 ` Rico Pajarola
2017-09-14 14:30 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-14 13:21 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-09-14 19:44 ` arnold
2017-09-14 20:22 ` [TUHS] Tools and building: libtool, autoconf, etc. [ trying to have a relevant subject line ] Jon Steinhart
2017-09-14 20:32 ` Ron Natalie
2017-09-14 21:00 ` Chris Torek
2017-09-14 21:03 ` Ron Natalie
2017-09-14 22:26 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-16 3:34 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-16 4:16 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-16 5:08 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-16 3:33 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-14 20:41 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-14 21:00 ` Noel Hunt
2017-09-15 17:42 ` [TUHS] Happy birthday, Dennis Ritchie! [ really sun vs dec/apollo --> X and NeWS ] Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-09-14 20:31 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-15 3:16 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-15 3:33 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-15 8:32 ` Ron Natalie
2017-09-15 12:42 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-15 18:20 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-09-15 18:37 ` Paul Winalski
2017-09-13 7:30 ` arnold
2017-09-13 13:35 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-13 23:55 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-14 0:18 ` Henry Bent
2017-09-14 2:10 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-14 19:37 ` Steve Johnson
2017-09-14 19:54 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-14 20:50 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-14 21:00 ` Ron Natalie
2017-09-14 20:11 ` Ron Natalie
2017-09-14 20:26 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-19 0:52 ` Random832
2017-09-19 2:50 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-19 2:56 ` Gregg Levine
2017-09-19 3:37 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-19 6:52 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-09-19 7:22 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-19 13:22 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-19 13:53 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-09-19 13:56 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-19 17:56 ` Random832
2017-09-19 18:31 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-09-19 18:34 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-19 19:31 ` Lawrence Stewart
2017-09-20 3:13 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-23 22:24 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-09-19 14:32 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-19 14:42 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-19 15:12 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-19 18:03 ` Random832
2017-09-10 9:44 ` [TUHS] Happy birthday, Dennis Ritchie! arnold
2017-09-13 23:22 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-14 16:11 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-14 16:15 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-14 19:30 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-09-14 19:52 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-14 22:03 ` Christian Groessler
2017-09-14 22:39 ` Erik Berls
2017-09-14 22:52 ` ron minnich
2017-09-14 23:04 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-14 23:14 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-15 19:01 ` Chris Torek
2017-09-15 19:50 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-09-15 19:56 ` ron minnich
2017-09-15 20:34 ` Chris Torek
2017-09-14 23:06 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-15 0:47 ` ron minnich
2017-09-14 19:39 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-09-14 20:09 ` [TUHS] Happy birthday, Dennis Ritchie! [ really Pottering vs UNIX ] Jon Steinhart
2017-09-14 21:35 ` [TUHS] Happy birthday, Dennis Ritchie! Theodore Ts'o
2017-09-15 1:40 ` Ron Natalie
2017-09-15 14:04 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-16 3:40 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-16 7:45 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-16 12:59 ` Ron Natalie
2017-09-16 18:19 ` Andy Kosela
2017-09-17 18:37 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-18 15:11 ` Steve Johnson
2017-09-16 19:20 ` arnold
2017-09-17 1:43 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-17 1:55 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-17 2:14 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-17 2:18 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-17 14:27 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-17 5:13 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-17 5:19 ` arnold
2017-09-17 18:49 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-17 18:57 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-09-17 19:08 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-17 19:33 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-17 19:22 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-17 18:43 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-18 0:12 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-18 0:51 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-17 18:25 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-13 15:17 [TUHS] X and NeWS history (long) Richard Tobin
2017-09-13 16:01 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-14 1:08 ` Nemo
2017-09-14 3:14 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-13 18:54 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2017-09-13 21:27 ` ron minnich
2017-09-14 12:30 Richard Tobin
2017-09-14 15:12 ` Warner Losh
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