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From: jon@fourwinds.com (Jon Steinhart)
Subject: [TUHS] Another "craft" discussion topic - mindless tool proliferation
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:35:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201709201835.v8KIZJth016318@darkstar.fourwinds.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2NKC-JdpUkbUqHEJY7d5z1gYi8kwV5axg2h+uD53LE4Qw@mail.gmail.com>

Another point that has been hinted at on the man page discussion.

A concept that seemed to get lost at the FSF is that man pages are summaries.
They're not exhaustive.  While a man page is all that's needed for something
simple like "ls", I expect there to be well written documents for more complex
programs.  For example, I do not expect a complete description of yacc on the
man page; that belongs in a separate document.  I still have notebooks with
the printed versions of the old docs around.

The man page problem is also exacerbated by the bloatage that afflicts the FSF
versions of many formerly simple utilities.  Huge numbers of dash options
plague many utilities that in my opinion should be broken up into separate
simpler programs.  Not to mention that by adding so many options they felt the
need for long options, and now one has to deal with two options for some but
not all things.

Making things worse, some man pages are just not written with the user in mind.
The one that constantly annoys me is bash.  There's around 450 lines of gunk
about shell variables near the front which I always have to skip past because
I forgot the syntax of some parameter expansion.  I hardly ever care about the
shell variables, and I don't think that I'm alone.

Jon


      reply	other threads:[~2017-09-20 18:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-19 17:01 Jon Steinhart
2017-09-19 17:05 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-19 20:31   ` Pete Turnbull
2017-09-19 20:37     ` Warner Losh
2017-09-19 23:35 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-09-20  0:47   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-09-20  1:02     ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-20  1:09       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-09-20  1:13         ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-20  1:22           ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-20  2:01             ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-20  2:34               ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-20  2:47                 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-20  6:18                   ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-20  4:35                 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-20  5:54                   ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-24 23:03                 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-09-24 23:35                   ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-20 16:49             ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-09-20  4:29         ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-20  6:43         ` Peter Jeremy
2017-09-20  8:25           ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-20  9:12             ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-20  9:34               ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-20 16:48         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-09-20  2:07       ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-09-24 22:58         ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-09-20  4:26       ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-20 16:45     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-09-21 17:33     ` Tony Finch
2017-09-21 18:39       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-09-22  0:02         ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2017-09-22  0:30           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-09-22  0:38             ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-22  0:39               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-09-22  0:50                 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-22  1:01                   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-09-22  1:08                     ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-22 20:09                       ` [TUHS] remaking make (Re: " Bakul Shah
2017-09-22  2:25                   ` [TUHS] " Warner Losh
2017-09-22  3:26               ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2017-09-22  4:09                 ` ron minnich
2017-09-22  2:20             ` Warner Losh
2017-09-22  0:36           ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-22  0:40             ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-09-22  1:53             ` Michael Parson
2017-09-22  3:25       ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-20  6:20   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-09-20 16:39   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-09-24 22:54   ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-09-25  0:16     ` Steve Johnson
2017-09-25 11:30       ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-09-20 18:15 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-20 18:35   ` Jon Steinhart [this message]

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