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From: jon@fourwinds.com (Jon Steinhart)
Subject: [TUHS] Sockets and the true UNIX
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 09:13:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201709211613.v8LGDcuN015299@darkstar.fourwinds.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170921160112.ctpv4a52t5rjcqzg@matica.foolinux.mooo.com>

Ian Zimmerman writes:
> This question is motivated by the posters for whom FreeBSD is not Unix
> enough :-)
> 
> Probably the best known contribution of the Berkeley branch of Unix is
> the sockets API for IP networking.  But today, if for no other reason
> than the X/Open group of standards, sockets are the preferred networking
> API everywhere, even on true AT&T derived UNIX variants.  So they must
> have been merged back at some point, or reimplemented.  My question is,
> when and how did that happen?
> 
> And if there isn't a simple answer because it happened at different
> times and in different ways for each variant, all the better :-)

Maybe this is naive of me, but I have never liked parts of the sockets
interface.  I understand that at some level it was a political/legal
keeping the networking code independent of the rest of the kernel.
From a technical and historical standpoint, I view it as the tip of
the iceberg bloating the number of system calls.

In particular, I have often thought that it would have been a better
and more consistent with the philosophy to have it implemented as
open("/dev/tcp") and so on.  Granted that networking added some new
functionality that justified some of the system calls, just not socket().

Comments?

Jon


  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-09-21 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-21 16:01 Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-21 16:07 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-21 16:10 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-21 16:20   ` David Edmondson
2017-09-21 16:25   ` Clem Cole
2017-09-21 16:27     ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-21 16:37     ` [TUHS] Sockets and the true UNIX [ actually carping about streams ] Jon Steinhart
2017-09-21 18:26   ` [TUHS] Sockets and the true UNIX Chet Ramey
2017-09-21 16:13 ` Jon Steinhart [this message]
2017-09-21 16:17   ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-21 20:36     ` Chris Torek
2017-09-21 18:56   ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-21 19:13     ` Steve Simon
2017-09-21 19:31       ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-21 20:15         ` ron minnich
2017-09-21 20:34           ` Clem Cole
2017-09-21 23:26   ` Dave Horsfall
     [not found] <mailman.1105.1506026200.3779.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2017-09-22 10:36 ` Paul Ruizendaal
2017-09-22 14:32   ` Clem Cole
2017-09-22 14:42     ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-22 14:47       ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-22 14:52         ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-09-22 14:49       ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-22 14:57         ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-22 18:14           ` Chris Torek
2017-09-22 18:43             ` Clem Cole
2017-09-22 19:08             ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-22 20:57               ` Chris Torek
2017-09-24 18:04                 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-22 18:00   ` Chris Torek
2017-09-25 17:57 Norman Wilson
2017-09-25 18:55 ` Clem Cole

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