From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 18:08:05 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] Another "craft" discussion topic - mindless tool proliferation In-Reply-To: <3254B521-0895-4E42-8A0C-8F8E3451FDBE@orthanc.ca> References: <20170919233525.k3otv5as6xi2rqht@thunk.org> <91641FC6-4CF5-4682-B8C3-8BB3DCCB208C@orthanc.ca> <20170921183924.oaj23%steffen@sdaoden.eu> <20170922000207.GB64682@eureka.lemis.com> <2A5F5EBA-0CCB-4756-A2CA-E9108E370EDC@orthanc.ca> <20170922003819.GM25650@mcvoy.com> <1827FFAA-EB54-44E9-84BF-D5EEF0CCB9FF@orthanc.ca> <20170922005053.GN25650@mcvoy.com> <3254B521-0895-4E42-8A0C-8F8E3451FDBE@orthanc.ca> Message-ID: <20170922010805.GO25650@mcvoy.com> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 06:01:49PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > On Sep 21, 2017, at 5:50 PM, Larry McVoy wrote: > > > > Oh, brother. Like the BSD Makefile crap. > > pmake, from 4.3BSD, was not evil. Lots of stuff is not evil. BitKeeper, my baby, is pretty sweet. But you know what? Everyone uses Git or SVN. Being not evil isn't enough. > I really like mk. 8ed was where it first rolled out? I remember reading about it in the 10ed books. It's a joy to use in Plan 9. I like make. I carried around the source to a Sys III make (I think) because it had enough in it that it was useful and didn't have all the crud that is in GNU make. I do wish that some simple make had stuffed a scripting language in there. Anything, tcl, lua, even (horrors, can't believe I'm saying this) a little lisp. Or ideally a built in shell compat language. All those backslashes to make shell scripts work get old.