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From: lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy)
Subject: [TUHS] 80 columns ...
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 12:59:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171110205920.GC29606@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfruju317QTVn8piifh4UqyWON4Xht_KLt-_NVPEAUp3NA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 01:46:30PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > Separate from this, I think that the whole 80 column thing is a bit
> > silly.
> > > > I have used 132 as by default for a long time now.
> > >
> > > Just don't move on without some limit. There are real
> > > cognitive/typographic reasons why excessively long lines hurt
> > > comprehension. This is why both 500 year old books and 5 month old books
> > > have narrow measures.
> >
> > I've made that point and people blithely ignore it.
> >
> 
> When I was debating style wars in the 90's, we adopted a 'wide is OK'
> approach, but with a soft limit of ~130 and a hard limit of 160 in
> exceptional cases. There was some research that showed that there's a
> limited field of view you want to be able to look at the code without
> moving your eyes side to side, just up and down. With the technology of the
> time, above about 130 would be hard to read 'at a glance'. Years later, I
> went looking for those studies, and couldn't find them and the original
> advocate of the view couldn't provide them.
> 
> I'm the first to admit that 80 is too few. But 200 is definitely too wide
> and 100-120 seems to still be the sweet spot for my eyes and the range of
> hardware that I use.

I could live with 100.


  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-10 20:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-08 20:52 ron minnich
2017-11-08 21:02 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-08 21:19   ` Dan Cross
2017-11-08 21:24     ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-08 21:28       ` Steve Nickolas
2017-11-08 21:48         ` [TUHS] (cassette) tape coming back [was " Charles H Sauer
2017-11-08 22:46           ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-08 23:28         ` [TUHS] " Dave Horsfall
2017-11-08 23:35           ` Ron Natalie
2017-11-08 23:39             ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-08 21:34       ` Dan Cross
2017-11-08 21:40         ` Dan Cross
2017-11-08 21:40         ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-08 21:43           ` Dan Cross
2017-11-09  1:00             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-08 23:46     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-11-09  6:52       ` Otto Moerbeek
2017-11-08 21:06 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-08 21:18   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-11-08 22:17 ` Grant Taylor
2017-11-08 22:30   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-08 23:07     ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-08 23:15       ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-08 23:15         ` Warner Losh
2017-11-08 23:49           ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-09  0:04             ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-08 23:24         ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-09  7:24 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-11-09 15:02   ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-09 19:14     ` Ron Natalie
2017-11-10 16:18       ` Nemo
2017-11-10 19:05         ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 20:36           ` Toby Thain
2017-11-10 20:39             ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-10 20:46               ` Warner Losh
2017-11-10 20:59                 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2017-11-11  9:24                 ` David Arnold
2017-11-10 20:43             ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 20:58               ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-10 21:02                 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 21:09                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-10 21:12                     ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 21:34                       ` William Corcoran
2017-11-10 21:50                         ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 22:58                         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-10 23:05                           ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 23:52                             ` Toby Thain
2017-11-11  0:24                             ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 16:40                   ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-11-11 16:47                     ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 17:23                       ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-11 17:38                         ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-10 22:46               ` Toby Thain
2017-11-10 22:59                 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-11 14:33                   ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-11 17:19                     ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-11 17:24                       ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 17:25                         ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 23:59           ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-10 22:10         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-09 20:46     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-11-10 17:21 Norman Wilson
2017-11-10 17:56 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 17:04 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-11-11 17:30   ` Random832
2017-11-11 18:05     ` Ian Zimmerman

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