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From: jon@fourwinds.com (Jon Steinhart)
Subject: [TUHS] 80 columns ...
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 13:02:55 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201711102102.vAAL2tM6024205@darkstar.fourwinds.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171110205806.GB29606@mcvoy.com>

Larry McVoy writes:
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 12:43:36PM -0800, Jon Steinhart wrote:
> > Toby Thain writes:
> > > Just don't move on without some limit. There are real
> > > cognitive/typographic reasons why excessively long lines hurt
> > > comprehension. This is why both 500 year old books and 5 month old books
> > > have narrow measures.
> > > 
> > > 80 might be too narrow for most, but at some point beyond 132 is "too
> > > far". :)
> > 
> > Well, I would claim that books have technological limitations that are
> > different than computer monitors.  It's a matter of doing what's appropriate
> > instead of taking a dogmatic approach.
> > 
> > I will point out that while it's sometimes a pain, the reader/writer ratio
> > is a major driving force.  I save on typing and use very terse code when
> > writing stuff for myself.  But, when writing stuff where there are many
> > readers I feel that it's my job to put in the extra work to make it more
> > accessible to the reader, partly because I don't want the readers bugging me.
> 
> So for the Nth time, there are people who read, I'm one of them,
> by looking down the middle of the text and getting the rest through
> peripheral vision.  I read easily 3-4x faster than a decently fast reader
> and I get enough info that I can find the place where I need to go read
> more closely later.
> 
> I can't imagine I'm the only person who does this, I'm special but not
> that special :)  So for me, wider is optimizing me out, not optimizing
> for me.

Well, as someone who also reads I don't really understand how your point
relates to 80 columns.  It sounds to me that you're making an argument
for something else in which I strongly believe, which is that the block
structure of the code should be clearly visible so that a reader doesn't
have to read every line in order to understand what's going on.  As an
example, I abhor styles that say that continuations of long lines should
be indented either an extra tab or right-aligned with the first line.
Both of those styles break the visible block structure.

Jon


  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-10 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-08 20:52 ron minnich
2017-11-08 21:02 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-08 21:19   ` Dan Cross
2017-11-08 21:24     ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-08 21:28       ` Steve Nickolas
2017-11-08 21:48         ` [TUHS] (cassette) tape coming back [was " Charles H Sauer
2017-11-08 22:46           ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-08 23:28         ` [TUHS] " Dave Horsfall
2017-11-08 23:35           ` Ron Natalie
2017-11-08 23:39             ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-08 21:34       ` Dan Cross
2017-11-08 21:40         ` Dan Cross
2017-11-08 21:40         ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-08 21:43           ` Dan Cross
2017-11-09  1:00             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-11-08 23:46     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-11-09  6:52       ` Otto Moerbeek
2017-11-08 21:06 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-08 21:18   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-11-08 22:17 ` Grant Taylor
2017-11-08 22:30   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-08 23:07     ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-08 23:15       ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-08 23:15         ` Warner Losh
2017-11-08 23:49           ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-09  0:04             ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-08 23:24         ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-09  7:24 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-11-09 15:02   ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-09 19:14     ` Ron Natalie
2017-11-10 16:18       ` Nemo
2017-11-10 19:05         ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 20:36           ` Toby Thain
2017-11-10 20:39             ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-10 20:46               ` Warner Losh
2017-11-10 20:59                 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11  9:24                 ` David Arnold
2017-11-10 20:43             ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 20:58               ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-10 21:02                 ` Jon Steinhart [this message]
2017-11-10 21:09                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-10 21:12                     ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 21:34                       ` William Corcoran
2017-11-10 21:50                         ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 22:58                         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-10 23:05                           ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 23:52                             ` Toby Thain
2017-11-11  0:24                             ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 16:40                   ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-11-11 16:47                     ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 17:23                       ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-11 17:38                         ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-10 22:46               ` Toby Thain
2017-11-10 22:59                 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-11 14:33                   ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-11 17:19                     ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-11 17:24                       ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 17:25                         ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-10 23:59           ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-10 22:10         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-09 20:46     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-11-10 17:21 Norman Wilson
2017-11-10 17:56 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-11 17:04 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-11-11 17:30   ` Random832
2017-11-11 18:05     ` Ian Zimmerman

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