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From: jon@fourwinds.com (Jon Steinhart)
Subject: [TUHS] Harvard and Von Neumann Architectures and Unix
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:28:21 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201711241928.vAOJSLcF008672@darkstar.fourwinds.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6b6fd55e-d1f9-5ee2-42ac-309d6b2923b3@gmail.com>

Will Senn writes:
> I am curious about how the Harvard Architecture relates to Unix, 
> historically. If the Harvard Architecture is predicated on the 
> separation of code from data in order to prevent self-modifying code (my 
> interpretation), then it would seem to me to be somewhat at odds with a 
> Unix philosophy of extreme abstraction (code, data, it's all 0's and 
> 1's, after all). In my naive understanding, the PDP-11 itself, with the 
> Unibus and apparently agnostic ISA seem to summarily reject the Harvard 
> Architecure...
> 
> My question is - was there tension around Harvard and Von Neumann 
> architectures in Unix circles and if so, how was it resolved?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Will

I don't know how to answer this question directly but in my opinion the
distinction between von Neumann and Harvard architecture machines became
moot with the introduction of memory management units.  For all intents
and purposes instructions were separate from data from the PDP 11/70 on.

Jon


  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-24 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-24 19:25 Will Senn
2017-11-24 19:28 ` Jon Steinhart [this message]
2017-11-27 14:50 ` Tony Finch
2017-11-24 21:43 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-24 21:50 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-25 21:55   ` William Cheswick
2017-11-25 23:15     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-24 22:20 ` Mike Markowski
2017-11-24 22:31   ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-25  3:14 Doug McIlroy
2017-11-25  4:16 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-25  5:17   ` ron minnich
2017-11-25 14:23 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-25 14:24 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-25 15:58 ` Lawrence Stewart
2017-11-25 16:10 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-11-25 19:59 ` Steve Simon
2017-11-25 21:59 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-25 17:34 Doug McIlroy
2017-11-27 16:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-27 16:50 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-27 17:08   ` Clem Cole
2017-11-27 18:21     ` Lawrence Stewart
2017-11-27 18:30       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-11-27 18:14   ` Warner Losh
2017-11-27 18:26     ` Paul Winalski
2017-11-27 17:35 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-11-28 14:55 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-11-28 19:45   ` Paul Winalski
2017-11-27 17:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-28  0:23 ` Dave Horsfall

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