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From: jon@fourwinds.com (Jon Steinhart)
Subject: [TUHS] Harvard and Von Neumann Architectures and Unix
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:50:17 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201711242150.vAOLoHCg026295@darkstar.fourwinds.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171124214342.A4A8818C0D0@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

Noel Chiappa writes:
> The thing is that self-modifying code is pretty much an artifact of the dawn
> of computers, before the economics of gates moved from that of tubes, to
> transistors, and also before people understood how important good support for
> subroutines was. (This latter is a reference to how Whirlwind did subroutines,
> with self-modifying code.) Once people had index registers, and lots of
> registers in general, self-modifying code (except for a few small, special
> hacks like bootstraps which had to fit in tiny spaces) became as dead as the
> dodo.
> 
> It's just a Bad Idea.

The one practical and Good Idea place for self-modifying code that I
encountered was the software implementation of floating-point for
516-TSS runnning on the Honeywell 516.  Our code modified the count
in the shift instructions for normalization.  Any other approach would
have involved looping.  Granted, an instruction set that took the
shift count from a separate register would have made this unnecessary
but that's not what the 516 had.

Jon


  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-24 21:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-24 21:43 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-24 21:50 ` Jon Steinhart [this message]
2017-11-25 21:55   ` William Cheswick
2017-11-25 23:15     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-24 22:20 ` Mike Markowski
2017-11-24 22:31   ` Dave Horsfall
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-11-27 17:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-28  0:23 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-27 16:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-27 16:50 ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-27 17:08   ` Clem Cole
2017-11-27 18:21     ` Lawrence Stewart
2017-11-27 18:30       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-11-27 18:14   ` Warner Losh
2017-11-27 18:26     ` Paul Winalski
2017-11-27 17:35 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-11-28 14:55 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-11-28 19:45   ` Paul Winalski
2017-11-25 17:34 Doug McIlroy
2017-11-25 14:24 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-25 15:58 ` Lawrence Stewart
2017-11-25 16:10 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2017-11-25 19:59 ` Steve Simon
2017-11-25 21:59 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-25  3:14 Doug McIlroy
2017-11-25  4:16 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-25  5:17   ` ron minnich
2017-11-25 14:23 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-24 19:25 Will Senn
2017-11-24 19:28 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-11-27 14:50 ` Tony Finch

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