From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
Subject: [TUHS] V7 Addendem [ really lawyers and AT&T consent decree ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:04:32 -0500 (EST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171212020432.4821118C08C@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> (raw)
> From: George Michaelson
> I don't think this list is the right place to conduct that particular
> debate.
Not disagreeing; my message was a very short gloss on a very complicated
situation, and I wasn't trying to push any particular position, just pointing
out that work (whether the right direction, or not, I didn't opine) had been
done.
> Its true RSVP didn't get traction, but the economics which underpin it
> are pretty bad, for the current Internet model of settlement
Yes, but would _any_ resource reservation system, even one that _was_
'perfect', have caught on? Because:
> it would not surprise me if there is ... more dropped packets than
> strictly speaking the glass expects.
This is related to something I didn't mention; if there is a lot more
bandwidth (in the loose sense, not the exact original meaning) than demand,
then resource reservation mechanisms buy you nothing, and are a lot of
complexity.
While there were bandwidth shortages in the 90s, later on they pretty much
went away. So I think the perception (truth?) that there was a lot of headroom
(and thus no need for resource reservation, to do applications like voice)
played a really big role in the lack of interest (or so people argued at the
time, in saying IntServ wasn't needed).
Noel
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Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-12-12 2:04 Noel Chiappa [this message]
2017-12-12 2:17 ` George Michaelson
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2017-12-12 13:59 Noel Chiappa
2017-12-12 1:28 Noel Chiappa
2017-12-12 1:42 ` George Michaelson
2017-12-11 19:23 Noel Chiappa
2017-12-12 16:04 ` Random832
2017-12-06 0:33 [TUHS] V7 Addendem Warner Losh
2017-12-06 1:07 ` Warren Toomey
2017-12-06 16:11 ` Random832
2017-12-06 16:15 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-12-06 18:39 ` Clem Cole
2017-12-06 18:49 ` [TUHS] V7 Addendem [ really lawyers and AT&T consent decree ] Jon Steinhart
2017-12-06 18:53 ` Warner Losh
2017-12-06 18:58 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-12-06 18:54 ` Clem Cole
2017-12-06 19:20 ` William Pechter
2017-12-07 14:26 ` Ron Natalie
2017-12-06 19:23 ` William Corcoran
2017-12-06 20:30 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-12-06 23:59 ` George Michaelson
2017-12-07 14:03 ` Ron Natalie
2017-12-07 15:34 ` William Corcoran
2017-12-07 5:08 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-12-07 15:09 ` Larry McVoy
2017-12-11 18:17 ` Paul Winalski
2017-12-11 18:39 ` Clem Cole
2017-12-12 0:27 ` Steve Johnson
2017-12-13 17:09 ` Jason Stevens
2017-12-13 17:05 ` Jason Stevens
2017-12-11 20:11 ` William Cheswick
2017-12-11 23:26 ` Arthur Krewat
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