From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: bakul@bitblocks.com (Bakul Shah) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2018 22:11:20 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] Dynamics between BSD and Linux In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Feb 2018 19:44:48 -0800." <20180202034448.GA2796@mcvoy.com> References: <20180202034448.GA2796@mcvoy.com> Message-ID: <20180202061135.CAEAF156E811@mail.bitblocks.com> On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 19:44:48 -0800 Larry McVoy wrote: Larry McVoy writes: > > It's a bummer because BSD brings minimalism to the table. You can run > a BSD machine in 128MB and it works. Hell, it used to work great in 4MB. I think this is the crux of the issue. As a group gets bigger, minimalism is hard to maintain. To have a fighting chance you have inculcate new people in the same minimalism culture and that takes time. This puts a higher bar to entry. > The BSD stuff isn't being taken seriously because the BSD people aren't > interested in taking new people seriously. Which is a shame because the > work that Netflix and other BSD people have done is really cool. If you think what BSD folks have done is cool, just join in. Why not ignore the personalities and the popularity contest. Regardless of how we got here, the reality is that BSD at this point has a tiny footprint in the market. Even Linux has a small footprint in the desktop + laptop market, compared to Windows and Mac. BSD isn't even counted separately any more there. In the server market Linux is basically it. In the cloud market it is mostly Linux (almost all of it, if you don't count Azure). In the Mobile+desktop+laptop market, other than Android, Linux is under 1%. BSD numbers are just in the noise. The reality is that BSD just doesn't matter to most folks. The same with minimalism. So it goes. [And neither fact matters to me for my non-pay work.]