From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: steffen@sdaoden.eu (Steffen Nurpmeso) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 16:07:06 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] Dynamics between BSD and Linux In-Reply-To: <20180202034448.GA2796@mcvoy.com> References: <20180202034448.GA2796@mcvoy.com> Message-ID: <20180202150706.26FII%steffen@sdaoden.eu> Larry McVoy wrote: ... |Here's a personal example of the differences. When I was looking at |working with Netflix I emailed McKuisik to ask him about some UFS stuff. |And this was me, I know Kirk, I've been to his house, had wine with him |and Eric. No reply. Ok, I'm old and washed up, I get it. Even though i have read your message as a maybe even ironic sharpening, i feel i have to step in and find this hard to believe. Maybe there have been technical reasons. To me micro micro always an overwhelming experience to receive answers or mails in general from people of this league, with such names, etc. This is truly academical spirit. And you can even make errors, as long as you can explain why you thought what turned out to be an error was the way to go. McKusick? No... |I emailed Linus about the Spectre/Meltdown stuff, asking him if I should |release some before/after LMbench results. Got a reply in about 20 |minutes where he outlined where things where, where they were going, |talked about his stuff getting to the intel CEO, etc, etc. Linus and |I could be enemies because of Git/BK but Linus doesn't care about that, |he responded because I had a valid question. | |I've tried to have the same conversation with BSD people and I was |ignored. +1 Linux. Well, Matthew Dillon of DragonFly BSD had an initial Meltdown mitigation in no later but January 5th (and finished on 01-11), and also posted long explanatory and benchmarking etc. mails. Later Maxime Villard of NetBSD also posted, a bit cryptic. Also on one of the BSD lists, i forgot which, there i saw the link to the ARM document which was the very best read on this topic in all that terrible mess of noise surrounding these issues. So no real need for conversation if the work is done. |The BSD stuff isn't being taken seriously because the BSD people aren't |interested in taking new people seriously. Which is a shame because the I would agree, but i guess it depends on the people whether that is true or not. ^.^ |work that Netflix and other BSD people have done is really cool. I disagree for the non-software related part. I am damn happy that we in Germany have TV under public law. Where programs of quality can be made, programs which will never make any money, and maybe even do not get a price. Non-trivial programs. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)