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From: michael@kjorling.se (Michael Kjörling)
Subject: [TUHS] Windows roots and Unix influence (was Re: Happy birthday, Ken Thompson!)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 21:19:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180205211923.GO13685@h-174-65.A328.priv.bahnhof.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABH=_VTzq6gYCKDOaO5cgEr=G+2nYNqhU8qLPmP7oJHtTydNnA@mail.gmail.com>

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On 5 Feb 2018 14:43 -0500, from paul.winalski at gmail.com (Paul Winalski):
> This architecture eventually ended up
> being called Alpha.  The east coast won the political battle.  PRISM
> and MICA were cancelled.

Out of curiosity, when was this? Obviously it's later than "the
mid-to-late 1980s", but more precisely than that?


> After PRISM was cancelled, Dave Cutler left DEC and went to Microsoft
> as architect for their new OS.  Under the covers, the original Windows
> NT looked a lot like MICA, VAXeln, and VMS before it.  Not surprising
> since they shared the same designer.  Like MICA, Windows NT was
> microkernel-based, with OS personality modules layered on top.  There
> were two of these originally:  Win32 and POSIX.  Microsoft and Intel
> were having a little lover's quarrel at the time--Intel didn't like
> Microsoft's forays into the hardware side of things with Xbox and the
> like; Microsoft wasn't pleased by Intel doing its own compilers, etc.
> This led to Microsoft porting Windows NT to both PowerPC and Alpha.
> Neither port caught on in the marketplace.

Honestly, I think you've got the timeline mixed up. Wikipedia puts the
Xbox introduction in 2001, which sounds about right to me. Designing
the core of the original Windows NT would be about a decade before
that, maybe a little earlier still, around 1990-ish. Around 1990 in
terms of game consoles was the Super Nintendo and Sega Mega Drive
(A.K.A. Sega Genesis), which the original Xbox was definitely _not_
contemporary with. I _think_ (but could certainly be mistaken about
this) that Windows 2000 ("NT 5") was the release that dropped several
non-Intel architectures; I'm _almost_ certain that NT 4 shipped with a
bunch of versions on the same installation CD, and believe that those
included both PowerPC and Alpha.

Also, I think the original NT "personality modules" included OS/2 (but
without Presentation Manager, the OS/2 GUI, so it only supported
text-mode OS/2 applications). The way I recall it, the OS/2 module was
a first-class citizen in NT 3.x, relegated to second-class citizen
status in NT 4.0 (it was there, but you had to jump through some hoops
to get it installed), and dropped with 5.0/2000.

-- 
Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • michael at kjorling.se
  “The most dangerous thought that you can have as a creative person
              is to think you know what you’re doing.” (Bret Victor)


  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-05 21:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-04  0:37 Dan Cross
2018-02-04  2:59 ` Nemo Nusquam
2018-02-04  5:06   ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-04  5:18     ` Warner Losh
2018-02-05 19:43     ` Paul Winalski
2018-02-05 21:19       ` Michael Kjörling [this message]
2018-02-06  0:37         ` Steve Nickolas
2018-02-06  0:45           ` Warner Losh
2018-02-06  9:14           ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-04  9:14   ` Angelo Papenhoff
2018-02-04 14:15     ` arnold
2018-02-04 17:21     ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-04 20:05       ` Dan Cross
2018-02-04 20:55         ` Nemo
2018-02-04 20:57           ` Warner Losh
2018-02-04 20:59           ` Jon Steinhart
2018-02-04 22:12             ` Clem Cole
2018-02-05  1:32             ` William Cheswick
2018-02-05  1:44               ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 21:04         ` Toby Thain
2018-02-04 22:22           ` Andy Kosela
2018-02-04 22:43         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 22:54           ` George Michaelson
2018-02-05  3:35           ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05  3:40           ` Dan Cross
2018-02-05 13:48             ` William Cheswick
2018-02-05 14:31               ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05 21:51               ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 21:57                 ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05 22:31                   ` Grant Taylor
2018-02-05 23:16                     ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:49                       ` Grant Taylor
2018-02-06 17:42                       ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-06 18:23                         ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:10                   ` Charles Anthony
2018-02-05 23:20                   ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:28                     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 23:36                       ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:52                         ` George Michaelson
2018-02-06 14:52                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-02-05 23:18               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-02-06 21:51               ` Dan Cross
2018-02-06 23:14                 ` Nemo Nusquam
2018-02-06 23:22                   ` Warner Losh
2018-02-07  3:03                     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-07  1:23                 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-07  1:33                   ` Clem Cole
2018-02-07  1:54                   ` Dan Cross
2018-02-07 18:01                     ` Tony Finch
2018-02-09  2:35                       ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-07 18:50                     ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-15 13:23                     ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-02-05  0:27         ` Kurt H Maier
2018-02-05  0:41     ` Robert Brockway
2018-02-04  9:11 ` Donald ODona
2018-02-04 23:25 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 23:46   ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-04 23:58     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05  0:06 ` Robert Brockway
2018-02-05  5:37   ` Steve Johnson
2018-02-05  5:53     ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-02-05 10:49       ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05  6:57     ` Robert Brockway
2018-02-05 15:20 Doug McIlroy

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