* [TUHS] Happy birthday, computer mouse!
2018-04-27 9:57 [TUHS] Happy birthday, computer mouse! Dave Horsfall
@ 2018-04-27 10:18 ` Hellwig Geisse
2018-04-27 10:58 ` William Corcoran
2018-04-27 11:13 ` Peter Jeremy
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From: Hellwig Geisse @ 2018-04-27 10:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Fr, 2018-04-27 at 19:57 +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote:
>
> On this day in 1981, some little company called Xerox PARC introduced
> something called a "mouse" (mostly because it has a tail), but I'm
> struggling to find more information about it; wasn't there a photo of a
> big boxy device?
>
This seems to be a date which is much too late. Even Smalltalk-72
on the Alto used a pointing device. In his book "Smalltalk-80:
Bits of History, Words of Advice" Glenn Krasner wrote:
"Smalltalk-72 was ported to the Alto [...] Soon many interesting
and useful applications were written, including a mouse-driven
program editor [...]"
Hellwig
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* [TUHS] Happy birthday, computer mouse!
2018-04-27 10:18 ` Hellwig Geisse
@ 2018-04-27 10:58 ` William Corcoran
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From: William Corcoran @ 2018-04-27 10:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
Absolutely Hellwig. Please take a look at the early DARPA/Internet RFCs from ~1969 and they make reference to a mouse. I will try to dig it up.
BIll Corcoran
> On Apr 27, 2018, at 6:38 AM, Hellwig Geisse <hellwig.geisse at mni.thm.de> wrote:
>
>> On Fr, 2018-04-27 at 19:57 +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote:
>>
>> On this day in 1981, some little company called Xerox PARC introduced
>> something called a "mouse" (mostly because it has a tail), but I'm
>> struggling to find more information about it; wasn't there a photo of a
>> big boxy device?
>>
>
> This seems to be a date which is much too late. Even Smalltalk-72
> on the Alto used a pointing device. In his book "Smalltalk-80:
> Bits of History, Words of Advice" Glenn Krasner wrote:
> "Smalltalk-72 was ported to the Alto [...] Soon many interesting
> and useful applications were written, including a mouse-driven
> program editor [...]"
>
> Hellwig
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* [TUHS] Happy birthday, computer mouse!
2018-04-27 9:57 [TUHS] Happy birthday, computer mouse! Dave Horsfall
2018-04-27 10:18 ` Hellwig Geisse
@ 2018-04-27 11:13 ` Peter Jeremy
2018-04-27 12:13 ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-27 14:47 ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-27 12:48 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
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From: Peter Jeremy @ 2018-04-27 11:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 2018-Apr-27 19:57:51 +1000, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
>On this day in 1981, some little company called Xerox PARC introduced
Well, the company was Xerox. PARC was their research facility.
>something called a "mouse" (mostly because it has a tail), but I'm
Douglas Engelbart demonstrated the mouse in his "Mother of All Demos" on
1968-Dec-09 (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJDv-zdhzMY). According
to WP, he applied for the patent in 1967 so I'm not sure when he invented it.
--
Peter Jeremy
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* [TUHS] Happy birthday, computer mouse!
2018-04-27 11:13 ` Peter Jeremy
@ 2018-04-27 12:13 ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-27 14:47 ` Ronald Natalie
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From: Bakul Shah @ 2018-04-27 12:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
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>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 4:13 AM, Peter Jeremy <peter at rulingia.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2018-Apr-27 19:57:51 +1000, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
>> On this day in 1981, some little company called Xerox PARC introduced
>
> Well, the company was Xerox. PARC was their research facility.
>
>> something called a "mouse" (mostly because it has a tail), but I'm
>
> Douglas Engelbart demonstrated the mouse in his "Mother of All Demos" on
> 1968-Dec-09 (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJDv-zdhzMY). According
> to WP, he applied for the patent in 1967 so I'm not sure when he invented it.
>
> --
> Peter Jeremy
According to
https://www.macworld.com/article/1137400/input-devices/mouse40.html
Bill English designed the first mouse in 1963 based on Engelbart’s sketches.
By 1982 we had access to a Mouse Systems’ mouse. I played with it but gave
up as it was no fun using it with a character only 80x25 screen.
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2018-04-27 11:13 ` Peter Jeremy
2018-04-27 12:13 ` Bakul Shah
@ 2018-04-27 14:47 ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-27 18:23 ` Paul Winalski
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From: Ronald Natalie @ 2018-04-27 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
Interesting Typography on the demo film. Never seen capital letters identified with overscores.
PARC is well known for contributing things to the public that Xerox never quite got into a real product. I always loved going to meetings there just to see what they had come up with this time.
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2018-04-27 14:47 ` Ronald Natalie
@ 2018-04-27 18:23 ` Paul Winalski
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From: Paul Winalski @ 2018-04-27 18:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 4/27/18, Ronald Natalie <ron at ronnatalie.com> wrote:
>
> PARC is well known for contributing things to the public that Xerox never
> quite got into a real product. I always loved going to meetings there just
> to see what they had come up with this time.
For a while Gordon Bell used to hand out the Xerox PARC Award to the
R&D project that simultaneously did the most to advance the state of
the art and contributed the least to DEC's bottom line.
-Paul W.
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* [TUHS] Happy birthday, computer mouse!
2018-04-27 9:57 [TUHS] Happy birthday, computer mouse! Dave Horsfall
2018-04-27 10:18 ` Hellwig Geisse
2018-04-27 11:13 ` Peter Jeremy
@ 2018-04-27 12:48 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-04-27 21:00 ` Cág
2018-04-27 23:06 ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Steffen Nurpmeso @ 2018-04-27 12:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:
|Blimey, but I nearly missed this one (I was sick in bed).
|
|On this day in 1981, some little company called Xerox PARC introduced
|something called a "mouse" (mostly because it has a tail), but I'm
|struggling to find more information about it; wasn't there a photo of a
|big boxy device?
http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/28358/1/cernbooks2_12-00
--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
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@ 2018-04-27 21:00 ` Cág
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From: Cág @ 2018-04-27 21:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
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No offence, but anything that makes me move my fingers from my keyboard,
be it a mouse, a touchpad etc., takes a menacing look from me.
--
caóc
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2018-04-27 23:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
Sorry, folks; thanks for all the feedback (ouch!) and I'll check my
references better next time (along with my medications, as I have a
suspect pros gl.)
--
Dave Horsfall BSc DTM (VK2KFU) -- FuglySoft -- Gosford IT -- Unix/C/Perl (AbW)
People who fail to / understand security / surely will suffer. (tks: RichardM)
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