From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: Ronald Natalie <ron@ronnatalie.com>
Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] PDP-11 legacy, C, and modern architectures
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 14:59:05 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180626215905.GH8150@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B9CFE92A-0090-4576-8E11-83EB63AE05EF@ronnatalie.com>
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 05:54:32PM -0400, Ronald Natalie wrote:
> >
> > So I agree, had the same initial reaction. But I read the paper a
> > second time and the point about Fortran, all these years later, still
> > being a thing resonated. The hardware guys stand on their heads to
> > give us coherent caches.
>
> Fortran is a higher level language. It gives he compiler more flexibility in deciding what the programmer intended and how to automatically optimize for the platform.
> C is often a ???You asked for it, you got it??? type paradigm/
I think you are more or less agreeing with the author. (I also think, as
Unix die hards, we all bridle a little when anyone dares to say anything
negative about C. We should resist that if it gets in the way of making
things better.)
The author at least has me thinking about how you could make a C like
language that didn't ask as much from the hardware.
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Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-06-26 21:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-26 17:54 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-06-26 18:03 ` Cornelius Keck
2018-06-26 21:21 ` Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-06-26 21:56 ` Kurt H Maier
2018-06-26 18:52 ` Ronald Natalie
2018-06-26 19:01 ` Ronald Natalie
2018-06-26 21:16 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-06-26 21:50 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-26 21:54 ` Ronald Natalie
2018-06-26 21:59 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2018-06-26 22:20 ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-26 22:33 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-06-26 23:53 ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-27 8:30 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-26 22:33 ` Andy Kosela
2018-06-27 0:11 ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-27 6:10 ` arnold
2018-06-27 2:18 ` [TUHS] PDP-11 legacy, C, and modern architectTures Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-27 2:22 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-28 14:36 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-06-27 11:26 ` [TUHS] PDP-11 legacy, C, and modern architectures Tony Finch
2018-06-27 14:33 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-27 14:38 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-27 15:30 ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-27 16:55 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-27 6:27 ` arnold
2018-06-27 16:00 ` Steve Johnson
2018-06-28 4:12 ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-28 14:15 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-28 14:40 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-28 14:55 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 14:58 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-28 15:39 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-28 16:02 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-28 16:41 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-28 16:59 ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-28 17:09 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-29 15:32 ` tfb
2018-06-29 16:09 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-29 17:51 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-29 18:27 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-06-29 19:02 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 20:37 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 15:37 ` Clem Cole
2018-06-28 20:37 ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-06-28 14:43 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 14:56 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-28 15:07 ` Warner Losh
2018-06-28 19:42 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 19:55 ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-28 20:42 ` Warner Losh
2018-06-28 21:03 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 22:29 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-29 0:18 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-29 15:41 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-29 18:01 ` Larry McVoy
2018-06-29 19:07 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-29 5:58 ` Michael Kjörling
2018-06-28 20:52 ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-06-28 21:07 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-28 16:45 ` Paul Winalski
2018-06-28 20:47 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-29 15:43 ` emanuel stiebler
2018-06-29 2:02 ` Bakul Shah
2018-06-29 12:58 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-06-29 18:41 ` Perry E. Metzger
2018-06-29 1:02 Noel Chiappa
2018-06-29 1:06 Noel Chiappa
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