From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 510c3943 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2018 14:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CB549A1839; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 00:56:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD37EA181C; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 00:56:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 70DB0A1830; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 00:56:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32411A1816 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 00:56:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id CF57635E12C; Thu, 28 Jun 2018 07:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 07:56:09 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: "Perry E. Metzger" Message-ID: <20180628145609.GD21688@mcvoy.com> References: <81277CC3-3C4A-49B8-8720-CFAD22BB28F8@bitblocks.com> <20180628141538.GB663@thunk.org> <20180628104329.754d2c19@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180628104329.754d2c19@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] PDP-11 legacy, C, and modern architectures X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:43:29AM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 10:15:38 -0400 "Theodore Y. Ts'o" > wrote: > > I'll note that Sun made a big bet (one of its last failed bets) on > > this architecture in the form of the Niagra architecture, with a > > large number of super "wimpy" cores. It was the same basic idea > > --- we can't make big fast cores (since that would lead to high > > ILP's, complex register rewriting, and lead to cache-oriented > > security vulnerabilities like Spectre and Meltdown) --- so instead, > > let's make lots of tiny wimpy cores, and let programmers write > > highly threaded programs! They essentially made a bet on the > > web-based microservice model which you are promoting. > > > > And the Market spoke. And shortly thereafter, Java fell under the > > control of Oracle.... And Intel would proceed to further dominate > > the landscape. > > I'll be contrary for a moment. > > Huge numbers of wimpy cores is the model already dominating the > world. Got a source that backs up that claim? I was recently dancing with Netflix and they don't match your claim, nor do the other content delivery networks, they want every cycle they can get.