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On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:55:38AM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 07:40:17 -0700 Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:15:38AM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> > > And the Market spoke.  And shortly thereafter, Java fell under the
> > > control of Oracle....  And Intel would proceed to further
> > > dominate the landscape.  
> > 
> > Yep.  Lots of cpus are nice when doing a parallel make but there is 
> > always some task that just uses one cpu.  And then you want the
> > fastest one you can get.  Lots of wimpy cpus is just, um, wimpy.
> 
> And yet, there are few single core devices I can buy any more other
> than embedded processors. Even the $35 Raspberry Pis are now four core
> machines, and I'm sure they'll be eight core devices soon.
> 
> If you want a single core Unix machine, you need to buy the $5
> Raspberry Pi Zero, which is the only single core Unix box I still can
> think of on the market.

You completely missed my point, I never said I was in favor of single
cpu systems, I said I the speed of a single cpu to be fast no matter
how many of them I get.  The opposite of wimpy.

Which was, I think, Ted's point as well when he said the market rejected
the idea of lots of wimpy cpus.