From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 88ff243a for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 18:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A5C6EA1B43; Sat, 30 Jun 2018 04:01:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A61A1849; Sat, 30 Jun 2018 04:01:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 15047A1849; Sat, 30 Jun 2018 04:01:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3900A1815 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2018 04:01:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 9004735E130; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:01:09 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: "Perry E. Metzger" Message-ID: <20180629180109.GC10867@mcvoy.com> References: <81277CC3-3C4A-49B8-8720-CFAD22BB28F8@bitblocks.com> <20180628141538.GB663@thunk.org> <20180628104329.754d2c19@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20180628145609.GD21688@mcvoy.com> <20180628154246.3a1ce74a@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20180628170317.14d65067@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20180628222954.GD8521@thunk.org> <20180629001831.GA29490@mcvoy.com> <20180629114124.3529a1a8@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180629114124.3529a1a8@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] PDP-11 legacy, C, and modern architectures X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > You don't remember that you've known me for thirty years or so? > > Hell, you used to help me out. Viktor and I and a couple of other > people built the predecessor of Jumpstart at Lehman Brothers like 25 > years ago, it was called PARIS, and you were the one who did stuff > like telling us the secret IOCTL to to turn off sync FFS metadata > writes in SunOS so we could saturate our disk controllers during > installs. (I guess it wasn't that secret but it was a big help, we got > the bottleneck down to being network bandwidth and could install a > single workstation from "boot net" to ready for the trader in five > minutes.) Heh, check this out: $ call Viktor Viktor Dukhovni 718-754-2126 (W/Morgan Stanley) Sorry Perry, I had completely forgotten about all that stuff. Now that you mention it, I do remember your install stuff, it was very cool. But I'm horrible with names, when I was teaching at Stanford I'd have students come up to me from a couple of semesters ago and I'd have no idea what their names were. Sorry about that. > Anyway, I've also been doing this for quite a while. Not as long as > many people here, I'm way younger than the people who were hacking in > the 1960s on IBM 360s (I was learning things like reading back then, > not computer science), but my first machine was a PDP-8e with an > ASR-33 teletype. Well welcome to the old farts club, I'll cut you some slack :) I still think you are missing the point I was trying to make, it's amusing, a bit, that you are preaching what you are to me as a guy who moved Sun in that direction. I'm not at all against your arguments, I was just making a different point.