Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 32, Issue 12

Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 32, Issue 12

[Doug McIlroy]

Arnold was clerly on the Unix Room wavelength. ^All those two-letter
commands were spelled out in conversation, even m-v. The pronunciation
of rmdir was hybrid: r-m-dir. But when one talked about an action--not
a command per se--verbs would be used: move or copy a file, list
a directory. The famous exception is grep, which became a verb. There
was no snappy ready-made verb that covered all the aspects of its use:
search for mentions in one file, find files that mention, look for
patterns, filter data, check for malformed data, ... The verb had
two idiomatic variants, "grep for" and "grep out".

Doug

Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 32, Issue 12

[John P. Linderman]

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"Grep" as a verb expanded beyond files. I recall a friend saying they were
"grepping for their keys on the dresser".

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> Arnold was clerly on the Unix Room wavelength. ^All those two-letter
> commands were spelled out in conversation, even m-v. The pronunciation
> of rmdir was hybrid: r-m-dir. But when one talked about an action--not
> a command per se--verbs would be used: move or copy a file, list
> a directory. The famous exception is grep, which became a verb. There
> was no snappy ready-made verb that covered all the aspects of its use:
> search for mentions in one file, find files that mention, look for
> patterns, filter data, check for malformed data, ... The verb had
> two idiomatic variants, "grep for" and "grep out".
>
> Doug
>

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Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 32, Issue 12

[arnold]

Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> Arnold was clerly on the Unix Room wavelength.

One of the nicest compliments I ever got. :-)

Thanks,

Arnold

[TUHS] grep

[William Cheswick]

Marion Harris gave a talk at 1985 Portland (Fireworks and Salmon) Usenix about the unapologetic use of such verbs.
Grep uses the “gr” as in grasp, grope, grab, etc, similar to the “sl” in slither, slider, sleek, etc. She gave a linguistic term for such things, and I remember a word like “sythesim”, but that’s not it.

ches

Re: [TUHS] grep

[Kurt H Maier]

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 12:13:08PM -0400, William Cheswick wrote:
> Marion Harris gave a talk at 1985 Portland (Fireworks and Salmon) 
> Usenix about the unapologetic use of such verbs.
> Grep uses the “gr” as in grasp, grope, grab, etc, similar to the 
> “sl” in slither, slider, sleek, etc. She gave a linguistic term 
> for such things, and I remember a word like “sythesim”, but that’s 
> not it.
>
> ches
>
        
I think it's probably "phonestheme" as defined by Firth in "The
Tongues of Men & Speech."
           
khm

Re: [TUHS] grep

[George Michaelson]

I was always told g/re/p as in g(lobally) apply r(egular) e(xpression)
and p(rint) was a backronym which reflected the regex commonalities of
sed/awk/grep/ed/ex/vi (ok, the latter two of course eggregiously
offend because its Bill Joy exoticism, but I think by now we can
accept some of the pauline epistles have later authors and are still
held to be useful...

I like the linguistic moment here. AWKward language? No. Not at all.
sqwawk came to mind. and roff, as a simpler runoff, also seems to find
how people take english and mogrify it to make new things.

-G

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 12:13:08PM -0400, William Cheswick wrote:
>> Marion Harris gave a talk at 1985 Portland (Fireworks and Salmon)
>> Usenix about the unapologetic use of such verbs.
>> Grep uses the “gr” as in grasp, grope, grab, etc, similar to the
>> “sl” in slither, slider, sleek, etc. She gave a linguistic term
>> for such things, and I remember a word like “sythesim”, but that’s
>> not it.
>>
>> ches
>>
>
> I think it's probably "phonestheme" as defined by Firth in "The
> Tongues of Men & Speech."
>
> khm
>

Re: [TUHS] grep

[Bakul Shah]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 13:13:52 -0400 George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
George Michaelson writes:
> I was always told g/re/p as in g(lobally) apply r(egular) e(xpression)
> and p(rint) was a backronym which reflected the regex commonalities of
> sed/awk/grep/ed/ex/vi (ok, the latter two of course eggregiously
> offend because its Bill Joy exoticism, but I think by now we can
> accept some of the pauline epistles have later authors and are still
> held to be useful...

Here Brian Kernighan tells the story of how grep came about.
I love how he ends the story!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTfOnGZUZDk

[TUHS] Grep (was: TUHS Digest, Vol 32, Issue 12)

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

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On Wednesday, 18 July 2018 at  9:47:44 -0400, John P. Linderman wrote:
> "Grep" as a verb expanded beyond files. I recall a friend saying they were
> "grepping for their keys on the dresser".

It's interesting to note that the Oxford English Dictionary has
included grep`both as a noun and  as a verb in 2003.  From the noun:

  Etymology: < grep, a string of characters used as a command in the
             Unix operating system < the initial letters of global(ly)
             search regular expression print.

	     The string g/re/p (where re stands for the regular
	     expression searched for) was earlier used in a Unix text
	     editor as the syntax for a sequence of commands
	     performing the same operation as grep.

Here your usage:

 2. trans. slang (usually humorous). Of a person: to search; to scan visually.

   1984 The Doctor's New Clothes in net.tv.drwho (Usenet newsgroup) 16
        Aug.  Peter Davison happened across his clothes while grepping
        the TARDIS for the Zero Room.

Greg
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Re: [TUHS] grep

[George Michaelson]

grep -v

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Paul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/18/18, Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>
>> The famous exception is grep, which became a verb.
>
> I think the similarity to "grab" and "grope" helped.
>
>> "grep for" and "grep out".
>
> "grep for" I'm familiar with.  What does it mean to "grep out"?
>
> -Paul W.

[TUHS] grep

[Paul Winalski]

On 7/18/18, Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> The famous exception is grep, which became a verb.

I think the similarity to "grab" and "grope" helped.

> "grep for" and "grep out".

"grep for" I'm familiar with.  What does it mean to "grep out"?

-Paul W.